In the past few weeks, I have received feedback of how much Qnet is great and all I am saying in the previous articles is nonsense. So I decided to select some my favorite popular justifications given to me as how Qnet is great and use them to proof that they are all false! I am only trying to inform the minds who want to get into the business or are already in it. I use facts, logic and math; if you want to look the other side, and then by all means do. I only want to put the facts in front of your eyes; you decide which road you want to take.
Desperate Justifications by Qnet:
1. How come Bill Gates support Qnet?
2. Why would big companies like HSBC and Microsoft risk their names for Qnet?
3. Qnet makes donations.
4. President Clinton supports Qnet.
5. Qnet is listed in the direct selling association of Malaysia and Singapore.
6. A pyramid scheme does not sell products, and therefore Qnet is legal since it sells products.
7. Qnet is using Network marketing to save the cost of distribution and marketing because it’s costly.
8. Qnet is an e-commerce business and that’s why the products are not available in the real market.
9. It’s an endless process, since every member has to buy a product each month.
10. Qnet representative refuses to give you the paper where he/she used to do the Qnet presentation because it’s the Qnet’s “property”.
Desperate Justifications by Qnet proved False:
1 How come Bill Gates support Qnet?
It has not been proved that Bill Gates supports Qnet. If you do, then please comment at the end of this article of the proof.
The only thing that links Bill Gates to Qnet is Microsoft is the fact that Microsoft powers Qnet server. As stated in Qnet’s website “Microsoft spotlights QNet as one of the early adopters of Internet technology as QNet deploys Microsoft®Server 2003” [1].
I don’t see how Microsoft is supporting Qnet by providing their service to them; it is just deploying a server. This DOES NOT mean it supports it.
I will give you an example. Many companies use Oracle as their database server. Does that mean it supports the business? If a businessman, let’s say opening a supermarket used the Oracle database to organize the supermarket’s data, does that mean Oracle is supporting the supermarket? Every office has Microsoft Office installed in its employees’ computers. Does that mean Microsoft is supporting every person and business that uses Microsoft Office? Microsoft is just selling its product to Qnet like any other customer; it does not have to make an investigation on its customers. It’s just like the supermarket sells you candy without requiring to know what you do for living!
2 Why would big companies like HSBC and Microsoft risk their names for Qnet?
Okay, so the Microsoft part has been covered in point no.1. Now we have to move on to HSBC.
Again, it’s just providing a service. It provides transactions services and Internet Authentication Technology 3-D Secure Technology to protect online transactions [2]. Providing a service does not mean it supports the business as we already established in point no.1.
I don’t want to bore you with the rest of the big names they use, bottom line is: A company does NOT risk its name for providing a service; it risks its name when the service fails or collapses!
Please note that this information was only found on Qnet’s website. They can write down whatever they wish!
3 Qnet makes donations.
Everybody can make donations. It doesn’t proof anything!
4 President Clinton supports Qnet.
I believe President Clinton [4] is referring to the LEGAL Multi Level Marketing. Please refer again to the article “DO U STILL WANT TO JOIN NETWORK MARKETING? INFORM YOURSELF USING FACTS, LOGIC & MATH!!!” for more information about it.
President Clinton is also referring to the Direct Selling Association in AMERICA in the U.S.A. Qnet is NOT listed in the U.S. Direct Selling Association. Please look up Qnet yourself in the U.S. Direct Selling Association website [5] (link is given in the reference).
5 Qnet is listed in the Direct Selling Association of Malaysia and Singapore.
Okay, I believe you, but why isn’t Qnet listed in the Direct Selling Association in HONG KONG? Isn’t that where the Headquarters is resided? Please check the list of the members provided in the reference [6]. Shouldn’t Hong Kong support Qnet, if Qnet is legal?
Also remember, there was NO activity of Qnet in Hong Kong as explained in DO U STILL WANT TO JOIN NETWORK MARKETING? INFORM YOURSELF USING FACTS, LOGIC & MATH!!!
6 A pyramid scheme does not sell products, and therefore Qnet is legal since it sells products.
NOT true, pyramid schemes can exist with products covering up the act. In this case, it is called product-based pyramid scheme. A LEGAL Multi Level Marketing has to satisfy the four main criteria provided by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) [7]. Qnet only satisfies 1 out of the 4.
Let me list them for you one more time:
Legal Multi Level Marketing Criteria | Qnet’s Position | |
Yes | No | |
1. Sell a real product | √ | |
2. to members of the general public | √ | |
3. Without requiring them to pay anything extra to join the MLM system. | √ | |
4. Commissions may be paid to distributors; however, it is paid for real retail sales NOT for new recruits. | √ | |
Aside from the FTC criteria, I would like to present to you “The 5 RED FLAGS: Five Causative and Defining Factors of Recruiting MLMs, or Product-based Pyramid Schemes” [8] given by Dr. Jon Taylor the founder of Consumer Awareness Institute and the writer/author of the book "The Network Marketing Game".
Dr. Jon Taylor said that these features in the 5 Red Flags identify compensation plans of MLMs that result in huge losses by its participants; 99.9% of the participants LOSE their money. According to his research, "the odds of profiting from gaming tables in Las Vegas are far better"[9].
Let’s see where Qnet stands on the 5 Red Flags [8].
“The 5 RED FLAGS: Five Causative and Defining Factors of Recruiting MLMs, or Product-based Pyramid Schemes” | Qnet’s Position | |
Yes | No | |
Red Flag #1: “Endless chain of recruitment”: Participants are recruited into an endless chain of recruitment. | √ | |
Red Flag #2: “Advancement by Recruitment”: Advancement in the hierarchy of participants is not achieved by appointment, but by recruiting more and more participants into a down line, or pyramid of participants. | √ | |
Red Flag #3: "Pay to play" purchases”: In order to "play the game," or qualify for commissions and advancement in the program, participants must buy a minimum amount of products or services, either at the outset or in ongoing purchases (usually by monthly subscription). | √ | |
Red Flag #4: "The upline gets most of the rewards": The company pays more in commissions and bonuses to upline participants than to the person making the sale. | √ | |
Red Flag #5: “Five or more levels in the pay plan”: The compensation plan allows for five or more levels, which is more than are needed to manage the sales function. | √ | |
Opsss, Qnet scored 20% in this test. It failed! Dr. Jon Taylor describes this method as a "Giant con game"[9].
So, is Qnet a pyramid scheme? YES IT IS!!!!
7 Qnet is using Network marketing to save the cost of distribution and marketing because it’s costly.
Does that mean that Qnet as a company DOES NOT have the money to market its products and deliver them to the market?
As Qnet claims, it has watches and jewelry brands that have been into existence since 1871 [10]. They imply that these products have history, value and deserve to be expensive. Therefore, WHY ON EARTH THEY DON’T PROVIDE THE PRODUCTS ON THE MARKET? They have enough money to distribute it to the shops!!!
As a business, they will GAIN more money if they made the products available in the market. They will sell more and thus they will make more profit! Isn’t that what a business wants? To make profit!
8 Qnet is an e-commerce business and that’s why the products are not available in the real market.
Please refer to the article Why DEVELOPED (1st World) countries are NOT involved with QNET? Let’s find out… for the answer of this point.
9 It’s an endless process, since every member has to buy a product each month.
10 Qnet representative refuses to give you the paper where he/she used to do the Qnet presentation because it’s the Qnet’s “property”.
Aside from the fact that I found the presentation online, when you go to presentation of Qnet, try to ask the representative to hold on to the paper he/she used to explain to you the process. Qnet’s representative will refuse to give you a piece of paper containing some information about the company and process. He/she will say to you it’s “Qnet’s Property”. It’s in his/her handwriting; so, doesn’t that sound fishy to you?
If someone is confident about his/her business, he/she wouldn't mind giving you the paper so you can slowly digest the whole process when you get back home.
Finally,
I will not say if Qnet is a spam or not; I will leave the answer to this up to your interpretation. I believe after reading the three articles I wrote, you can pretty much have an idea of what you are dealing with. You are hearing the two sides of the story; the decision is still up to you.
For Religion's View: Anti-Qnet Egyptians
If you have the time, please check those two articles (in Arabic) about the QNet representatives success secrets and how to respond to different argumentative points.
References:
1. Microsoft and Qnet: http://www.qnet.net/about_qnet/qnet_timeline/en/ (Oct. 2010)
2. HSBC and Qnet: http://www.qnet.net.my/about_qnet/faqs/en/ (Oct. 2010)
3. FIFA and Qnet: http://blog.qnet.net/2010/08/2010-fifa-world-cup-south-african-coin-set-available-for-collectors/ (Oct. 2010)
4. President Clinton and Network Marketing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_eGbfTPbGY&feature=related (Oct. 2010)
5. USA Direct Selling Association: http://www.dsa.org/forms/CompanyFormPublicMembers/ {Oct 2010)
6. Hong Kong Direct Selling Association: http://www.hkdsa.org.hk/englishvision/member.html (Oct. 2010)
7. Federal Trade Commission: http://www.ftc.gov/speeches/other/dvimf16.shtm (Oct. 2010)
8. 5 Red Flags by Dr. Jon Taylor: http://www.mlm-thetruth.com/EvaluateAnyMLM.html (Oct. 2010)
9. About Dr. Jon Taylor: http://www.mlm-thetruth.com/about.html (Oct. 2010)
10. Qnet Jewelry: http://www.qnet.net/products/luxury_and_collectibles/bernhard_h_mayer/introduction/en/ (Oct. 2010)
11. Red Flag #3: http://mlm-thetruth.com/RedFlag3-PaytoPlay.html (Oct. 2010)
12. Qnet’s presentation: http://www.scribd.com/doc/6774381/Questnet-Presentation (Oct. 2010)
117 comments:
Thank you.. amazing Article, I was about to fall into one of those, ya3ne I was hesitated, but thanks to you now I wont.
Actually this form of marketing was in Egypt some 15 years ago, I was young back then, but I recall that a family member came home once with a document like the bank Shahadet estesmar, and said that he paid money for it n he shud recruit other people so they buy the same certificate and they become below him in the pyramid, I rem that they all refused, and in the end it was a scam and he lost his money. So it came back again nowadays in a different form, back then it was also popular among people who can afford it and was distributed in Agami and Montaza where the rich people used to go :)
Ramy, I am glad you liked it. That's exactly the point I wrote this one. It's very easy to get confused when we have such great and convincing justifications.
I do not think that the person who wrote this article was presented the business in the right way.
There are alot of doctors. If you go to a doctor in a specific hospital who doesn't do his job properly, doesn't mean the whole hospital is not good.
We should think well before taking decisions and before judging other people. Saying a good word, would help alot.. saying something based on incomplete researches, and leaving it up to the reader to decide, serves no purpose other than spending time.
I completely respect & disagree with that article, because that's not the fact...You are judging the presenter not the business idea,,,Please try to think of it fairly by yourself, by numbers , by facts from successful people whom are already involved in,not by hearing from anyone...
I joined this network marketing 5 months ago, let me tell you what I've found...No monthly purchase is required...No renewable fee is required...you just buy a product once at the beginning which is totally logical because that's the way the company makes money, of course they will not give people money for no effort. Qnet depends on "word of mouth", this way of marketing is well-known and old technique started from 1959, Now 65% from the sales around the wolrd depend on word of mouth.
Please don't talk on something you heard about or even you didn't!. In my opinion,Your article has no purpose but personal benefit of attracting more readers only.
You are awesome, your article is based on concrete evidence, i just want anyone who wants to disagree with you to present his article base on fact, logic and math not just claim and crying.Thus, we will decide which way we should follow
Nice article that raises valid points. The writer raises very important questions that we should all consider before making a decision. At least now am in a position to make a choice
Thanks alot!
Hello All :-)
It is very unfortunate that the author of the above artcle got some bad representation of Qnet in addition to some inaccurate information. The amount of thought and effort given here is to be respected, although it is quite misguided. For example:
Pyramid schemes are characterized by the uplines making more than downlines. This is not the case with Qnet's compensation plan. It often happens, if not in most cases, that downlines make more money than uplines. It just depends on each person's efforts.
There is no $50 monthly purchase in Qnet or recurring mandatory purchases. Only one purchase and it is not a set amount.
Products are available to the general public through the distributors.
Distributors make commissions on both retail sales and recruitment.
It looks like the writer is the victim of gross misrepresentation.
Please consider accurate facts instead of what is written in this article.
Finally, the idea that the compensation plan is the property of the company and that is why no one prospect should take it is so asenine and rediculous that I am rolling on the floor laughing at the notion that anyone can say that with a straight face. A more logical reason would be that the prospect will go and try to explain the plan to people without having fully understood it or practiced it. It would only spread false information that will hurt everyone's business.
I was approached this night by an IR of QNET,, and the big question mark is: why was almost the whole talk on the marketing strategy and not the product??? The products are some unknown brands with certifications from so and so, I asked him any references but he hadn't, and now I browsed the website http://www.qnet.net/ and found products that I've never heard of before, I certainly wouldn't spend my money to buy this, or I would be paying just to enroll in the business, actually this was the purpose I met the guy for, he told me it was for business.
Plus, who are QNET? I am not accusing them of being illegal dealers but I can't just be their partner even if I am 100% winner without knowing that enough about them, and especially that the IR was trying to convince me to join as soon as possible and better be immediately.
who ever this guy is , please spreading bad word of mouth about QNET. im into it since 3 months and it is helping realize my dream...just tell me any other way of a passive income. God forbid if u loose ur job one day due to XYZ reason, will your boss come and say "man, u were amazing employee for 4 years..i'll still pay u the same"?? tel me will this happen..it is mode of passive income where i run a relay and pass the baton to my friends and family. by the time the baton has reached several levels down..u realized that u stopped running actually. Take something sensible. It is not some Scheme or Plan..it is a business so treat it like one.
I wonder! Has any business selling products or services ever bankcrupt someone or a nation besides QNet? Everyone's out to make money, and the bosses are the ones making the most whilst the ones making the most efforts are paid pittance! If you look at an organisation in most companies, doesn't that look exactly like a Pyramid! But, we don't call them scams, do we! You are legal when the authorities made you legal! It's just like the winners writing history. Me, I like some of the products and I choose whether to buy or not based on the products' merits. The marketing plan....I tried, but I guess I just dun have the flair to make it work. Doesn't mean others can't. Still, it's your choice to join, buy or not! Nobody's forcing you! As for misrepresentation by the IRs; I have seen worst cases being done by sales people!
what about QNET sponsor IBF,sponsor brazil team for the fifa & QNET also have their own F1 car. i think only big company can do it. but u say just now that QNET is not a big company.
please explain to me
http://www.virginracing.com/news/219/
Virgin Racing announces new long term partnership
Virgin Racing is delighted to announce a new long term partnership with International Direct Selling Company QNet, commencing with effect from this weekend’s 2010 Formula One season finale in Abu Dhabi.
The QNet brand will feature on Timo Glock and Lucas di Grassi’s racewear and the sidepods of their Virgin Racing VR-01 race cars as they race from dusk through to night, under the lights of the Yas Marina Circuit. QNet, a leader in Direct Selling in Asia and with a significant presence in the Middle East is the flagship subsidiary of the QI Group of Companies, an international conglomerate headquartered in Hong Kong.
QNet distributes a wide range of wellness and lifestyle products and services through its cutting edge e-commerce platform to millions of customers worldwide. For QNet, which has been involved with motorsport through its sponsorship of teams in the Formula BMW, Formula V6 and the GP2 Asia series from 2004 to 2009, the move to Formula One is a natural progression, ensuring exposure for the brand on a global stage, in one of the most prestigious sporting arenas.
At the launch event, Graeme Lowdon, CEO of Virgin Racing, Sir Richard Branson and Vijay Eswaran, the Executive Chairman of the QI Group, expressed their delight at this new partnership:
Graeme Lowdon
“It is very exciting to be able to announce QNet as a new long term partner for Virgin Racing at the season finale in Abu Dhabi. Much like our team, QNet is a young and progressive company with an aggressive development strategy for success. We are looking forward to 2011 with confidence and QNet, along with all our partners, can be assured that we will be relentless in pursuit of our racing objectives. We look forward to working together with QNet in the years ahead.”
Sir Richard Branson
“I am absolutely delighted by this news. Having been personally involved in the partnership discussions, it's particularly pleasing for me to see this come to fruition. I look forward to working with QNet on this project and hopefully many others.”
Vijay Eswaran
“The way I see it, it is the coming together of two dynamic lifestyle Groups - Virgin and QI. For us, it was a decision made easy by the commitment and dedication shown by the Virgin Racing team. Plus, of course there is always the Richard Branson factor, which is undeniably a major plus point for us! It is rare for me to come across another individual, especially one of Sir Richard’s stature, who has the same viewpoint on life as I do. I see this as the beginning of a journey between the QI Group and the Virgin Group with QNet and the Virgin Racing F1 Team kicking off the journey.”
You should Check this out! Dr. Said explained very plainly about this issue on his blog.
Mr. Sharwette also commented and he answered him really well.
You should take a look. Here's the link:
http://saidsaid.net/blog/qnet-review-is-it-legit-or-another-scam/
qnet is all fraud . . dnt trust anybody frm qnet group .. . all jealous and greedy, mainly in india . .i got fed up with qnet . . .
thanks for the article, i completely agree with you since this kind of marketing is based on making people beleive that if they join qnet they will make alot of money, and i am sure that they will do if the continue doing what they do in their lectures and conferences and since i have attend one of their lecture hopping to lean more about qnet i found that the presenter wasting the time on how much money you'll make if you join us rather than marketing the products of qnet, this way if marketing id absolutely tricks people to convince join and if you do a little statistics i am sure that 90% of the sold products actually not because they are good or the people who bought it need them, its just because they have been told about how much money they will make if they join
then the answer is yes its s scam but it doesn't hurt anyone
I guess it was a bad presentation, I respect ur opinion if it is true, in our case u had wrong data & that's the reason of posting your Ideas here, I guess u lost much
i apreciate what you are doing really trying to bring awarness among people of the comming danger of succes,but realy without any offence who are you really?
1-network marketing expert?
2-a professional analyst?
3-an oriflame representative????
However,whats your age,degree,experience in life,do you even have a job or a family? or you are just a kid playing with internet tools sitting behind the laptop manapulating peoples minds?
so please take in concederation that i should question a young girl such as you before questioning a big great company that helps me support myself in life and changed many lives of my relevants family and friends.
so i would like to ask you to consider what you are doing before doing it and consider the cosequences of your acts and its effect on people.
i am asking from you to give us evidence on who you are and what is your experience to give us advice if there is any?
also what is your credibilty as a person to listen to and what is your weight in buisness world if any?
have you studied network marketing? have you studied statistics? have you studied buisness managment?
do you have a degree? or you are just a student in high school or university? have you ever been to hongkong or singapore or malaysia and seen the headquarters you are talking about the whole time?
sorry for making this long but please if you are not an expert please dont bother us and confuse people with your alegdly opinions on what we should do or dont and as long as you have no experience in life to give adults advice just write at the begining of your article for teenagers only.
God bless you and with all the wishes for you to find track.
Mr.Hatem Yousry
Mr Hatem,
It appears that you are an expert in network marketing yourself. So why don't you refute what is written in those series of articles using facts logic and math instead of trying to discredit the information that is referenced by attacking me personally. Once again, the information is always referenced to respectful websites such as the FTC or respectful newspapers outlets.
Please note that the massive success referred here by Mr Hatem is only a 4% chance of being successful in this kind of business.
If anyone want to learn more about the manipulative methods of QNet to recruit more people to join with a 96% failure rate (which is never mentioned to you in the presentation), please read the following articles written by a former QNet representative.
http://issuu.com/mira22/docs/qnet3
http://issuu.com/mira22/docs/qnet4
Thank you very much Mr. Hatem for your feedback.
Thanks to you but you still didn't answer my questions and i still don't see any hardrock solid evidence you are giving me.
And also i don't see how should a company of 13 years of success explain itself with evidence at each move it makes,while anyone of no expertise on the network marketing industry or buisness world as a whole can say anything and be believed by just sitting at home behind the keyboard writing articles.
until you give me a reason to consider your articles.
God bless you
Mr.Hatem Yousry
P.S: I don't mean any offense i am just speaking my mind if you don't mind.
loooooooooooooool, this is very nice article to be read only by ppl not in Qnet, not "I am only trying to inform the minds who want to get into the business or are already in it."
loooooooooooooool, most of the information about qnet u said is totally incorrect as most of the Qnet ppl said just before me, but ill just talk about something very simple, 1st of all Qnet is network Marketing company, not the only one we all know, so when bill Clinton talks about network marketing i believe we are included. looooool we shall we exclude Qnet, loooool
and another Question for the writer, if you are really into business and rules,
could a company had to nationalities, ???!!!
multinational companies doesnt mean it has more than 1 nationality it means its found in many countries.
so is it possible for a company to be listed in more than one list,
okay you are going to tell me it is listed in Malaysia and Singapore, yes because these countries has one organization for most of the industry not only for network marketting and direct selling.
and because you know the answers you didn't add the links where QI-LTD is listed ( or at least you dont know what QI loooool).
and the main thing you have to search for it, is there a single person who really joined Qnet and works hard and didn't gain money...???!!!! the different between reality, Scam and fake is the result... and ill till you what, go the internet and search about what did the FORBES said about QI or Qnet or Quest, and if you dont know the FORBES go and search for it.
and look im happy to find a lot of ppl like you, you know why, because the greater success you have the larger number of attacks you have :D thanx for all enemies of success... we are making us stronger.
lol... i feel the qnet ppl r just trying to defend their company worthless of any use...... also i strongly feel they are making a desperate effort of trying to put in more comments so that the reader reading the blog thinks that the article is a total crap and qnet is THE thing to be.... but lemme tel u guys there have been bigger companies as such in the past like ebizz which had the same stratergies about 4 years a ago today that company dont even exists.... it had exactly the same business ideas and exactly the same facts and math..... to put it all in one word the success stories and evdience is very subjective to individual but trust me guys have seen this very close proximity i can tel u out of every 1000 ppl who get into it hardly 50 to 100 ppl can get the successfull... for the rest of u plz don fall for this trash.... think twice before u make a decision....... and a sincere request make ur background check well before u join any such spam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey I totally agree with this article and the writer. I've been approached by QNet myself and the whole idea was very very fishy. And lets face it non of the pro-QNET comments here managed to actually prove the writer wrong, instead all comments I've read are full of denial, personal attacks on the writer or the same broken record being played all over again.
This article has proven wrong a lot of your CORE arguments of why anyone should join QNET with decisive proof from actually trusted sources. Non has made the effort to actually debunk these points, why should we believe you have any credibility when 90% of your arguments have been proven wrong?
Of course an awareness article like this is bad for business so its no wonder why you're defending QNET so aggressively, or perhaps you don't want to admit that you've fallen into the scam?
I for one will spread this article so my friends and family can become more aware of scams like this.
I will talk about the logic I found after reading the comments:
All the ppl defending the QNet are doing so because they got benefits and more money from QNET.
On the other side the ppl defending the writer are talking about the logic they found in the article and there are a big portion of ppl joining QNet who failed because the rate of success is small (around 4%)
Where are the hell 96% of ppl who failed, why they are not writing here about their bad experience ....... !
my friend i really respect your effort ,but you really dont know all the facts ,as the business is misrepresented to you but i just wana say one thing .....set qnet aside ......networkmarketing is a fact ......it's real.....and remember u will either be doing it ......or ur gona watch it happen infront of you .......or you will be wondering what's happening ! ......so get your facts straight my friend , qnet has influenced alot of lives and helped alot of people, not just financially...but on many aspects you cant possibly imagine.
just do it with QNet....,with RYTHM (Raise Yourself To Help Mankind) we growing up and up with poor people to be Greatest people in the future....< are you agree with that..?? everyone think and toke Scam for QNet...but we are The V Family...., QNet is One Of The Best Network Marketting in The World...!!
I just read this article. It is very clear and informative, and none of the commenter’s who were defending QNET was able to refute any of its content.
Let me tell you about my experience with QNET. I became a member of the company seven years ago (in 2004) in my country IRAN. Two months after I joined the company, the government of Iran banned the activity of Qnet. The website was filtered and all Qnet products were seized by the government. Not only did I lose all my money but I never received my product either! Back then I didn’t understand why it was banned, but now I do. I wish I had access to such an article back then.
Thank you for letting people know the truth.
God Bless you,
Ali Reza
I think the Qnet slogan should be changed from RYTHM to RYTDM..."Raise Yourself To DEPRIVE Mankind".
Now that's a slogan that represents the company, becasue at the end of the day Qnet isn't helping raise mankind whatsoever! It's tricking a bunch of gullible individuals by giving them a promise of making big money fast.
Too bad that it's mathematically impossible for 75% of members to even make a penny.
Love the anonymous posts that do answer the question .. especially the "get on board" before you the miss the bus.
From what I have seen the author of this post has informed you factually of the misrepresentations the company is making ... provide proof he is wrong or be quiet. I could not care less who he is. He speaks the truth and not with "forked tongue" or a "snake oil" salesman .... !!!
The article posted here sure would help people who are confused whether to get into this type of business. ** interesting fact the ppl who have replied on behalf of this business have not even mentioned their names. If you are speaking the truth why not mention atleast your name
honestly,we dont know who is right and who is wrong...
yesterday one guy apprached me and he present the Qnet product...i was totally convinced , and i have already 20 ppl ready to get in this business,they already paid me the money...but till now i dont know wither to go ahead or to wait...im really confused !!!!!
Qnet is a true and powerful company
the only reasons people are not joining is the following:
1.they have no money to join and thus the negative comments because such people who are selfish don't want people to join if they can't join themselves
2.none of these guys got a perfect presentation that delivered the whole picture
anyways from my point of view do join Qnet I'm in it and I'm seeing a difference in my self financially and personally
Deprived of or analyzes the activity of the company is asking and not Sheikh!! alcholic barley is haraam, but if it is alcohol-free its going to be halal!! pyramidal scheme is haram, and if we removed it's bad points such as adding the products then his name has become a network marketing!!! Until you see the subject in a sound and complete needs approximately half an hour, and will not be patient any Senator to hear the explanation a long time like this, in addition to that most of those asked did not have enough experience to explain the issue and, consequently deprive some of the elders, that the committees fatwas in transactions Dar Al-Azhar and the Egyptian Mufti may legitimize the deal with the company after the topic is explained in detail on them ... Who believes that the company's monument, it is only to give the same reasons to stay stuck in the cycle of life and convince himself that his choice not to participate properly, are all psychiatric problems and hatred!! We have not seen any of these economists talking about foreign banks and their impact on the economy, or the high cost of advertising, which raises prices of consumer goods!!! All of these do not provide an alternative and reliable, but failure to frustration and a spiral Elias and that there is no hope of a better tomorrow!!! After research and study, I discovered that all successful in this company and they are from all segments of society do not care to respond to the many rumors about the company, they only care about the work and training the team and invest their profits in development projects and various services in their communities,,,, Quite simply, a company with more than 8 million partner around the world from all countries have the ability to arise Forums full of self-defense, but the fact that all those who accuse the company unjustly and falsely does not have evidence of conviction and one against it, but rather are all opinions personally convinced that this project is closer to fiction than to reality!!!
All the Qnet fools, why do you bark unneccesarily? Rather than barking, counter attack the points rather than the author. She is not going to get a single money for making people aware I have myself seen 7 of my friends in Iran who got fooled by this S#!T and were not even able to make a single penny. One of them literraly broke relation with me for i didn't agree to sign-off this Con. six months later he was conned and now I am happy that I broke up with such a loser. Rest of my freinds are heart broken too. Seriously speaking I haven't heard of any near and dear ones who disn't lost their money in this crap.
And hey atleast have courage to let people know your name. Are you afraid that cops may catch you or are feeling ashamed to face the truth with your identity.
And Mr. Hatem, I am sure only you will be the millionaire, I can bet on that . Great for being in the top 4% bracket of successfull Con-man :-) I have done MBA in marketing but sure, I have to learn a lot from you. Now its time to bark , get started ;-)
COUNTER ATTACK POINTS AND DONT BARK !!!
Hi,
Let us look at the questions raised one by one.
I have just become the member of Qnet and I hope I can give unbiased answers.
1. How come Bill Gates support Qnet?
2. Why would big companies like HSBC and Microsoft risk their names for Qnet?
Ans: 1. Why is Bill Gates/Microsoft name being taken by the author of this article I dont know. But during my business presentation, I was only told that we have Microsoft backed server. No false claims of Bill Gates backing Qnet were made. I have attended several presentations and training sessions and no one makes such claims..
No one ever took the name of HSBC as well.
So I am asking u guys not as someone defending Qnet but as someone looking for answer. If some Individual sells something giving false facts when company itself doesn't encourage such practices, how is the company at fault?
By the way, you may want to check out this link on the Microsoft Web site... it is Qnet case study: http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Microsoft-Dynamics-CRM/QNet-Limited/QNet-Enables-Growth-by-Building-Cohesive-Global-Customer-Service-Capabilities-with-Microsoft-Dynamics-CRM/4000008787
Question 4: President Clinton supports Qnet.
5. Qnet is listed in the direct selling association of Malaysia and Singapore.
Answer 4: No one ever talks about President Clinton in the presentations.... If someone wrong presented this to you, it doesn't make the company wrong
Answer 5: Honestly I dont know why is it not listed in DSA of HK... i will try to find out the answer
Q6. A pyramid scheme does not sell products, and therefore Qnet is legal since it sells products.
1. Sell a real product
They do sell real products
2. to members of the general public
of course they do.. i have an option to retail the product
3. Without requiring them to pay anything extra to join the MLM system.
There is absolutely no extra cost.. the only thing i paid was the price of the product and shipping and handling charges...
4. Commissions may be paid to distributors; however, it is paid for real retail sales NOT for new recruits
Commissions are paid for the retail sales and the new recruits are presented with the option to work as independent distributors or only use the product
Please consider a few points before being biased:
1) Qnet has been in existence for over 13 years sustaining compensation for millions of customers.
2) It has sponsored International Badminton Federation, it has associations with United Nations, Commonwealth Federation, Formula 1 team along with Virgin Mobile, has been official sponsor of Brazil football team, has been providing commemorative coins in Olympics, and the list is endless... check out for yourself
3) All the training sessions and presentations I have been a part of and even before I signed up, the business plan was not shown until I committed for hard work. We clearly tell people about the failure rates and tell them that you will only succeed if you work hard.
4) I am personally using the wellness products and it does work wonders... u doubt it, use it yourself the way it is supposed to be.. u will know the truth. Other products too are outstanding!! just try and use them.
5) You wont succeed in any business unless you are committed...
6) There may be some laws in some countries different from the laws in other countries.. if gay marriage is fine in some states of US and in some it is not, it doesn't mean gay marriage is wrong..
7) GO AND FIND OUT HOW MANY CASES HAVE BEEN FILED AGAINST QNET AND ITS FOUNDERS AND HOW MANY HAS QNET LOST...
NONE.. QNET HAS WON ALL THE CASES IN ALL THE COUNTRIES
A link I think everyone of you all must see:
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/247165/virgin-racing-announces-qnet-partnership/
QNET has been around for 13 years and has attracted millions of customers...sure...And this means that it’s just the thing to be. It’s free of any kind of criticism!!! It’s the best company you could name!!! Drug dealers, thugs, pimps and prostitutes have been around for many CENTURIES and they have attracted hundreds of millions of customers. Are their activities justified as well?
QNET has sustained compensation to millions of customers? NOT TRUE. QNET has deprived millions of customers in Iran, India, Pakistan, Seri-lanka and today QNET’s market target is Egypt. To those of you Egyptians who defend QNET…just wait a few years, and see what happens. The same thing that happened in Iran 7 years ago will happen in Egypt…Guaranteed 100%. Market saturation is a fact. It’s as plain as the nose that’s on your face. Once that happens 96% of you will be depressed, not compensated.
You won’t succeed in any business unless you are committed? That’s actually true… but only for sustainable businesses, not for unsustainable pyramid schemes. In pyramid schemes you will either get deprived or you will deprive others with the probabilities respectively being 96% and 4%. I know you Qnet supporters are gonna keep saying: “it’s not a pyramid scheme, it’s a binary plan!!!” Well what could I say, you’ve been freaking brainwashed!
Think for yourselves and don’t become mental slaves. Look at facts, logic and learn from the past. Don’t repeat the same mistake that millions of Iranians made not long ago. As an Iranian, I have seen the disastrous effects of QNET in my country with my own eyes. You don’t have to witness the same thing in your country.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Anonymous states: “Q6: A pyramid scheme does not sell products, and therefore Qnet is legal since it sells products.”
That’s not true. Many pyramid schemes have used and have been using products to hide their pyramid structure. Please visit the below websites to learn about the concept of “product based pyramid schemes”.
http://www.amquix.info/product_pyramid.html
http://www.ftc.gov/speeches/other/dvimf16.shtm
Trek Alliance is an example of a pyramid scheme marketing company that offered distributorships for products including water filters, cleaning products, and nutritional supplements. Visit below site to read about how the US federal court halted the activity of Trek alliance.
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news03/trek.html
Also, if you would like to learn about other product based Pyramid companies visit the below website:
http://www.mlm-thetruth.com/evaluated/shut-down
Articles such as this pose a threat to QNET representatives because they know that more and more people are viewing them every day; therefore, QNET IR’s are making every effort to muddy the waters by fallaciously discrediting the content of these articles, even by posting comments that they have absolutely no knowledge about. At least sit do some research before posting something, because someone else could easily refute what you have written.
Dear Readers,
I ve been involved in this business for long and its changed my life it has done good to so many people,Network marketing or referral marketing is the next place to be...it will churn out millionairres waiting to see what happens to idiots who dont join and face recession and their so called comfy jobs..all the best
Qnet fan for life...
Who are you sir and from where did u get this information?
I am a partner in qnet and i can confidently say that qnet is providing me an additional income help me realize my dreams.
i can do a million other things but it is my choice to work the qnet! it pays better and with the years you may no need to work anymore but still get a few checks in the middle of the month.
It is not a Scam. do you know that new partners are approached by close friends, coworkers, family. I do not want to sell a scam business to anyone, especially to the closest people in my life.
I make good money already to help me buy that appt that i have been dreaming about for a very long time. It has become my pleasure to share this successful business with the closest people to me and then to the rest of the world.
I believe none of us, millions of people, want to make money through an illegal method and also harm others. The compensation plan is fair based on the effort you put to developing your team and yourself.
Yes, early recruited partners are making more and should be making more! and as a new recruit i want them to make more through me and vise verse. yet there is always a possibility that i can actually make more. this doesn't eliminate the doubts of the pyramid scheme, but this is the reason that pyramid schemes are not fair. Qnet have tackled this ;)
Really, i wasn't making anything extra before qnet. and really if you want to know the money i have earned so far, if i divide them by the days counting from the day i joined, i make 120$ per day including weekends, national holidays, working or even when i am not working, like when i am sleeping ZzzzzZ. i allocate 2 hours per day as i also have another full time job.
it is a really good business, i suggest when you come to Egypt we sit together and explain it to you better.
But listen, I will take my notes, burn them, so i keep the secrete for my self and the few :P of course not, but as in any business there is competition. why would i leave company information on a cafe table down town!
cheers from Spain, having a one week vacation there.. its in the qNET vacation packages at a great value... maybe you could be interested too ;)
I think he is just jealous about QNET. What he knows about it. The company started in 1998 and today the strength is more than 7 million n growing. He is intelligent and rest of the world are idiots. What is the risk involved BIG ZERO, make a purchase use the product , you are paid if you recommend to others. What's wrong.
I do'nt understand these kinds of people without knowledge how can they comment like this. But I feel sorry of them but will suggest these kind of creatures to just relax and use QNET's products for there health and live peacefully.
I found a member list of Direct Selling Association of Malaysia on their website.
Qnet is NOT in the list as of April 2010. If Qnet is already 13 years old, why is it not in the list?
http://www.dsam.org.my/dsam/members-list/
There seems to be some confusion around the phrase “word of mouth”. It’s true that word of mouth is a good strategy for a firm to promote its products and services. But is this the case in QNET. Are QNET members really trying to compel people to purchase a product merely for the sake of purchasing a good durable product? Are they trying to persuade people to buy a product merely because they were satisfied with their products themselves? The answer to these questions is a big NO. QNET representatives aren’t promoting the product, they are promoting the commissions that QNET offers (note that mathematically less than 10% of all members eventually receive commissions!).
Would people really join this schema only for the product? No, because they could buy a much more valuable product in the market at a much lower price. Even in the presentation most of the time is devoted to explaining the income generation plan (which is by the way madly exaggerated!!!), and only 10 to 20 percent of the length of the presentation is dedicated to demonstrating products.
So don’t confuse what is meant when you say “word of mouth”. Does the word of mouth pertain to the “product” or does it pertain to the ”get rich fast” income plan? The answer is the second.
This company is associated with UN, Commonwealth, ASEAN and EU.
Sponsored Brazil Football team. Partnered with Virgin (Sir Richard Branson) and co-owns a F1 Team. Owns a F2 team as well. Official distributor of Olympic commemorative coins. Associated with International Badminton federation.
By the way, I cant remember more so check it out yourself... list is endless.
Microsoft recognized qnet stating "Established in 1998, QNet is a direct selling company that has seen tremendous growth from its strategy of combining the potential of the Internet and e-commerce with the powerful business model of network marketing."
Check out the link: http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Microsoft-Dynamics-CRM/QNet-Limited/QNet-Enables-Growth-by-Building-Cohesive-Global-Customer-Service-Capabilities-with-Microsoft-Dynamics-CRM/4000008787
A company with 13 years of track record sustaining 7 million customers, what else do you want to know????/
Qnet is the part of the QiGroup. And by the way, Direct selling is not their only bread and better...
I was clearly told during my presentation before becoming a business partner that 50% ppl dont even earn their checks and only 5-10% ppl make millions... everything was so transparent...
NOW U SAY ANYTHING U WANNA SAY... PPL WHO KNOW THESE FACTS WILL KNOW WHAT DECISION TO TAKE!!
If I had to take opinion of people on the net for Lincoln and Gandhi, I will see 50% bad and 50% good...
Why does Qnet keep on changing names? It use to be called “Gold Quest International Ltd” at the beginning. then it changed its name to “Questnet” and now “Qnet”!!!! What next? A blank!
I guess this is so that people that were previously scammed out of their money won’t recognize that this is the same company… And that they would think that it’s something completely different!!! Or maybe Qnet wanted to save money by printing fewer words on its brochures lol.
Whatever the reason…I don’t even care what its name is. It is not moral to join this network because even if you make money, your down-lines will lose theirs. So the more money you make from this business the more down-lines you will have who have lost their money. SO you are making money by taking other peoples money away from them. Doesn’t a thief do the exact same thing?
The fact that QNET is supported by a number of solid International organizations does not imply that the business is completely flawless. This is an argument that QNET people frequently use in order to justify their immoral activities. They keep stating that virgin racing, FIFA or … support QNET, or they say that the Pope, Donald Trumpt, or some spoiled rich guy endorsed QNET.
First of all, I don’t think that those orgs/individuals actually supported the QNET business; they only gave permission to QNET to manufacture some products under their name. For example, the FIFA coin-set and the Pope coin-set. And this consent was in fact given to the company that manufactures QNET merchandise (e.g. Mayer mint in Germany) and not to QNET itself.
But let’s assume that what they say is completely true and a number of solid international organizations actually support QNET products and its business. Would this mean that this business is completely moral, fair, and flawless? HELL NO!!! What do solid international organizations care about anyway? As long as they make revenue they are happy and they don’t give a crap even if millions of people lose their money. In addition, most of these organizations are incorporated; therefore, they don’t need to be worried if anything goes wrong because corporations cannot get sued in international business.
Let’s be frank. We are not living in a fair world. Is it not so that Saddam Hussein and Hitler were also supported by Solid international organizations at some point of time? Is it not so that those who invaded Iraq and Afghanistan and killed thousands of innocent civilians also have strong ties with solid international organizations? GOD has not established this company and humans make mistakes regardless of how famous they are.
Please use at logic, math, rationality and common sense in order to make a judgment about QNET (or similar companies). As long as logic, math and common sense tells me that this business is corrupt, I wouldn’t care any less if even FIFA, NASA, Microsoft, IBM, NIKE, Virgin Racing,… ,Queen Elizabeth, the pope, and Barack Obama all publicly endorse it.
Ok.. so please use logic, math, rationality and common sense to tell how QNET is unfair and unethical?
Do you know 90% of the small businesses that get opened close without profits? Well then all these businesses are unethical because they didnt make money ***AND**** They employed people and promised them income but did not (or could not) fulfill promises.
It is true that 50% people dont even get a penny out of it... only a few %ers recover their money.. fewer make more than that and much fewer earn in millions
That applies everywhere.. isn't it.
If you come in with the thought that you will get rich quickly, you are doomed to failure.... u dont get paycheks on the 1st of every month in any business... I quit.. I lose!!! it is simple..
I quit, I lose, I crib, I bad mouth
I dont quit, I still lose, I dont crib, I dont bad mouth, I hang on, I lose again, I still dont crib, I still dont bad mouth, I still hang on, I start with a small win, I still hang on.. things get better then
THIS IS NOT A QUICK RICH SCHEME.. IF U WANT QUICK MONEY, GO INVEST IN STOCKS.. BEST OF LUCK FROM ME.. OR BUY A LOTTERY.. AGAIN BEST OF LUCK
Or take the business seriously, make sure you create a culture where every downline helps his/her downline, grooms him/her... make sure before getting a signup you tell the figures accurately..
dont make false promises!!!
I am sure someone did this to all the people who have posted bad things... This is understandable... there are people who are greedy and to make quick money they do misrepresnt that facts.. dont be like them
It’s easy mr anonymous, just read the below article by the author. It explains everything.
http://www.iricvalley.com/2010/10/do-u-still-want-to-join-network.html#comment-form
Your comparison is completely flawed. You are comparing a pyramid scheme with a small business that does not have any pyramid structure at all. These are two completely different things. In small businesses people fail due to lack of effort, non commitment and fierce competition. But in pyramid schemes the majority of members will eventually fail due to market SATURATION and because it is mathematically IMPOSSIBLE for them to recruit more members. Let alone that if a small business fails only the owner of the business suffers a loss but in MLM pyramid schemes if the person fails his/her country will also suffer a loss as currency goes to a foreign company. Again read the above article to learn more.
And you say that Qnet in NOT a quick rich scheme!!!(lol) Well you must be living on another planet. Watch the below video and see how the Qnet presenter gives people the plea of making over $85,000 in only 10 months just by purchasing a product that has an average price of $800!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrwOpY3T6yM
I’ve studied business management and economics in the very best universities. And I could tell you that I have not encountered a single small business that pays you $85k in 10 months by investing only $800 (even if you work your ass off it won’t pay even close to that amount...). If you know any business that does (and of course is not a get rich quick pyramid scheme!) just name it…
That is a Return on Investment (ROI) of 105% in only 10 months!!! No small business gives you an ROI of 105% in 10 months. The average ROI for small businesses in North America (not third world countries) is between 20% to 30% maximum annually.
thank you =)
that's a great article,
but can you publish this in arabic so that non-english
speakers can benefit from it.
thank you very much..
really good article but i still have a question i asked them what happens when the company reaches saturation will it keep paying for people ?! ?! ?! he answered laughing it will never be like that everyday there is new children people and lots and lots of new individuals and in the end of presentation he told me that the only risk you got is time ? why time should be risk when it will never reach saturation as it is a cycle
Well Yehia magdy, all I could say is that you've been lied to. Saturation will occur no matter how fast population grows. This is just another stupid lie that Qnet members use when they're out of answers.
Population growth does'nt prevent market saturation no matter how fast population grows. Plus just becasue population is growing does'nt mean everyone will sign up with Qnet. Just do the math and play with the numbers and you will find out how rediculous this claim is.
They just want you to be their under-line. this way they will have more security becasue they have already invested in the company. Time is a risk for them and not for you. Dont get decieved.
I am very angry with you MISTER Sherwette. I try very hard to find underlines by explaining business to them and to expand my profits and you destroy all my dreams with ur articles. People who I present Qnet to go read your articles and change mind and not become my under-line. WHY do you destroy peoples dreams? I expect a good answer from you. Do you enjoy when you make people fail in their business by posting this stuffs?Are you competitor? Or are you just bored and spend time writing articles to destroy peoples business? How you like if I go write bad things about your business and your job so people don’t become your customer? I don’t do that because I mind only my own businesses. SO tell me why do you write these articles to take my under-lines and profits from me?
The networking business does not grow drastically to cover the Earth population in a year. This is a Myth. Every day people are turning 18 which is the legal age of the business. Every day there are new ppl being born. Every day there are new ppl.
What matters is how the company has diversifying and Qnet has diversified immensely and it is still diversifying. Moreover, there are no FMCG products. There is no monthly purchase you require. Only one time purchase is needed.
Markets will never saturate as this business does not grow ridiculously. It needs to be built. Over a period of time and gradually.
Everyone does not succeed. Same as any other business. This too requires potential.
We (Qnet) are 13 year old in this business. If market was to saturate going by the mathematics, we would have already surpassed Earth's population.
There are some companies more than older than 50 years. They are still doing business and markets have not saturated. Why??? I dont have their products.. none of my family or friends has their products... so we are still potential customers for them.. even after 50 years.. isn't it? But I am not a part of them, which means their market has not saturated yet..!!!
Dear last anonymous,
Saturation doesn’t mean that all population of the earth have to become Qnet members!!!...
1. There are many people who can’t even afford to pay average $800 to become a Qnet member.
2. Many others could afford it but don’t, because they are not interested in investing their money in this kind of non-sustainable business.
Your comment shows that you are misunderstood. This schema is never-ending, and this means that it is non-sustainable. Majority of members will eventually be left with empty pockets. The example that you gave of the pyramid scheme that has been around for 50 years is not an exception either. This is a NEVER ENDING scheme, so if it doesn’t reach saturation it means that it has completey or partially STOPPED GROWING. You know what this means? It means majority (over 90%) who are at the bottom of the scheme are left with empty pockets. You just confirmed that Qnet doesn’t grow dramatically. The fact that it doesn’t grow dramatically means that most members do not yet paid…
Go look at the Qnet presentation on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrwOpY3T6yM). In the presentation The Qnet IRs are trying to convince people that in the worst case scenario each member will recruit two new members every month. So if this business needs to be built up over a long period of time and very gradually as you mentioned, this means that in the Qnet presentation you people are openly lying to the public. But, I’m sure you are not liars… Are you?
So based on the presentation if each member recruits two new people every month, saturation has to occur in less than three years (go do the math and you’ll find out). Yet if it doesn’t happen it means that most members are not getting enough recruits and therefore are not getting commissions. So you see were this is going to. In either case most members are losing their money and are making nothing. The breakdown will always be the same (whether or not saturation is reached)
-Around 80% to 85% will make nothing.
-10% to 15% percent will make less than what they have paid.
-Only around 5% will make more than what they have paid.
This has been mathematically proven and it has occurred in many countries including Iran, Pakistan, Seri Lanka, India….. Please don’t play your same old broken records because they are worthless.
And just like many other commenter’s you compared a pyramid scheme with other businesses which do not have a pyramid structure! (ahhh….I’m getting tired of explaining this!!!)YOU CANNOT COMPARE A PYRAMID SCHEME WITH A BUSINESS WHICH DOES NOT HAVE A PYRAMID STRUCTURE.
1.In a legitimate business you are selling the product to customers. In pyramid schemes you are really selling the business, not the product.
2.If a business fails only the owner suffers a loss. In a pyramid scheme your country also suffers a great loss as currency exits the country.
Read the below article carefully and God bless you.
http://www.iricvalley.com/2010/10/do-u-still-want-to-join-network.html
Thanks for all the great information that has PROVEN Qnet or whatever they are called today is a scam .... i just have 1 question, unfortunately a very good friend of mine has already signed up, he obviously tried to recruit me but i am wiser as i have to read up on these things first, and thankfully i have not fallen for Qnet's trap, however is there any chance (for my friend's sake) for him to unsubscribe (so to speak) cause i dont want him to be falling for such bull ...
Thanks guys for the great articles you really helped me out!
Oh and P.S i only have my name as anonymous as I do not have any of the listed profiles, unlike the PRO Qnet fools!!!!
1) My country is not losing money as I get the money in my bank account after the tax deduction. I also get a legal tax document at the end of the year.
2) You are right, a majority of people dont earny money. That is the case with any other business. But the reason for failure is not because company stops paying. Reason is people don't take the business seriously.
3) The business model is sustainable. You want to check the liquidity model and how it works, please go and figure it out. If you are willing, I can explain it to you. The person who founded this business was financial adviser to UN too.
4) Business is legalized in many countries, including mine. It has been approved by the several government bodies and registered.
5) You know why network marketing business is so defamed. Because there are so many ppl who come and join it as quick rich get scheme .. the opportunists.. not businessmen and fail.. they bad mouth it..
6) DO YOU KNOW THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL CASES AGAINST QNET IN MANY COUNTRIES... INCLUDING IRAN.. CHECK OUT FOR YOURSELF... HOW MANY CASES DID QNET LOSE????? NONE!!!!!!!!! EVEN IN IRAN THE BUSINESS HAS BEEN LEGALIZED AND IT IS BOOMING THERE!!
Check out this Link... see why ppl fail:
http://oderog.hubpages.com/hub/18-Reasons-Why-People-Fail-in-Network-Marketing
1)My country has lost money as a result of this business. I am Iranian and Qnet has caused the greatest financial crisis in the history of my country. Go do some research on the web and you’ll find out.
2)Maybe you’re right. people fail because they don’t take it seriously. But lets assume everyone does take it seriously, how long could this network grow? AGAIN and AGAIN it is never ending and there will always be a majority (over 90%) who don’t make anything. Up to what point are you going to say that they fail because they don’t take it seriously. Even if everybody takes it seriously still most people will fail because it is a never ending and it could not be sustained forever.
3)I don’t care who founded the business. I have seen with my own eyes that it is not sustainable. I live in a country that has over 1.5 million QNet members and according to official poles less than 5% of them have made more than what they have paid. Now you could go ahead and say that the 95% didn’t take the business seriously. But even if they did take it seriously their underlines would have gotten deprived and the end result would have been exactly the same (i.e. 95% deprived).
4)The business is ILLEGALIZED in many countries including mine (i.e. Iran).
http://joinnetworkmarketing.wordpress.com/2011/03/28/qnet-is-bannedshutdown-in-many-countries/
5)People join Qnet to become rich…that’s true. But that’s the plea that was given to them in by the company. So it was the company that brainwashed them otherwise most of them would not have joined.
6)Yes. Of course Qnet will win every case. That’s because it has stronger bargaining power and it is incorporated. A bunch of average people who live in third world countries and can’t even afford a good lawyer wouldn’t be able to win a case against a strong incorporated company. This is not true justice.
QNET IS BANNED IN IRAN. Check out the below sites to see for yourself, and don’t post a comment that could be easily refuted:
http://joinnetworkmarketing.wordpress.com/2011/03/28/qnet-is-bannedshutdown-in-many-countries/
http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidZAWYA20050925051105
http://jayaraj-m.blogspot.com/2006/11/gold-quest-blocked-in-iran-too.html
Honestly,
You must be kidding... In the link, it says banned in India?? It is registered with Government of India. There is an office in India. They have their India TAX ID as well.
The links you have provided are no official links... Anyways.. all the people who know what business is.... please stop answering to the posts here.. coz no matter what you say, it wont make any difference anyways..
IF YOU REALLY WANNA CONSULT.. TALK TO EXPERTS (WHO MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE THE PART OF NETWORK MARKETING)
Only one comment.
Everyone who is rich worked hard for it, there is no get rich quick scheme. Yes people are making money off Qnet, they have to. Any good scam has to let some of its investors make some money in order to gather the largest amount of investors possible before closing down shop and that will definetly happen eventually its only a matter of time. With the current economical crisis and political unrest it has become harder for young people to make a decent income but Qnet is not the answer. It might be a good experience for some of you but dont waste your lives on it. Think of your futures and the future of your countries economy and try to think of the long run. Many of you have very good degrees and could be very profesionally valuable which will be alot better than being a single tracked, money hungry robotic sales person for an obscure company that sells lousy products of zero value to anyone. Its really sad to see my countries youth obsessed by such a ridiculous idea.
To follow up on my comment above, if you like Qnets concept why not do it yourself?
Convince two of your friends to buy a rock from you each for 100 LE. Promise them that once they get two of their own friends to buy the rocks from you, you will give each of them 50LE and so on. You wanna make big cash? why not be the source instead of the follower. At least a rock has more value to it than a chi pendant :)
But dont say I told u so when u get thrown in jail for operating a scam :)
To be honest I don't know about India, because I don't live there. I live in Iran and over here Qnet is banned. You could get fined and imprisoned up to 10 years for being an active member here. the Qnet wesite is filtered and all products get confiscated by the government. I know many people who are spending time in prison RIGHT NOW as you read this message becasue they were active members.
And whether or not its banned in other countries thats not my business. all I know is that Qnet harms society and weakens the economy same as it has in my country. Any government is responsible to deal with this kind of Ponzi scheme becasue it has been proven to be corrupt. now if they don't do it they have to face the consequences as well.
So get off your high horse son OR go find youself a real job. One that requires you to have skills and expertise and doesnt ask you to stalk other people and deprive them for some easy money.
hi bro MAY I ASK ONE?
COULD YOU SAY ME WHAT KIND OF NEW BUSINESES IS NOT BANNED FROM IRANIAN GOVERMENT? ITS VERY HILARIOUS CUZ THEY BANNED FOREX TOO HAHAHAH. OK LETS TALK ABOUT ORIFLAME WITH 37 YEARS OF EXP IS IT PYRAMID SCHEME TOO?
QNET IS REAL MLM COMPANY WITH RANGE OF PRODUCTS THAT ALL OF THEM ARE UNIQUE OR BRAND SUCH AS BHM WATCHES THAT DISIGHNED BY SWISS CIMIER PLEASE SEE THE FACTS & DONT SAY ANYTHING WITHOUT DEGREE N EXPERTS
HOW THEY CAN BE PYRAMID SCHEME WHILE THEY HAVE 22 OFFICES IN 20 COUNTRIES & BE A MEMBER OF DSAS & DSAM ?
IF YOU DONT KNOW SO LEMME SAY DSAS OR DSAM ARE DIRECT SELLING ASSOC......... OF MALASIA & SINGAPORE AND IF U KNOW THEY ARE PART OF WFDSA (WORLD FEDERATION OF DIRECT SELLING) KNOW BROTHER PYRAMID SCHEME,S CANT BE MEMBER OF DSA & PYRAMID SCHEME,S CANT CONTINUE THEIR BIZ FOR 13 YEAR CUZ THEY ARE A PLAN FOR 2 OR 3 YERAS MAXIMUM
Well, say all you want. You can’t convince me, because I have seen the devastating effects of Qnet with my own eyes. I have seen too many people who have lost their life savings and have even gone bankrupt because of trusting Qnet. But don’t worry. You don’t have to convince me, you have to convince the general public and the people who you are praying on.
I see what you are trying to do. You are making a desperate effort to put in more comments on this page so that the reader would think that this article is a complete piece of crap and that Qnet just the thing to be… If this article really is a piece of crap then why do you even bother posting these comments? What concerns you anyway? After all people possess mental power themselves (at least most of them do!) and they could make their own judgments.
ohh yea
but what depends beetwen Qnet & lost life savings? Explain to me plz , everyone can lost his/her life saving at any business so what u wanna say , its rule in all kind of businesses . your success come true only when u be serious in your way & whos serious really? lemme say only 5%, its not only for mlm its general its public rule for all kind of businnes but there is very big difference beetwen Traditional jobs & Network Marketing , it is the difference : everyone can reach his/her goal in this business but there is no chance to be succesful in Traditional jobs ,do u know why? cuz its the real Pyramid, u cant move & go ahead from your position to better & profitable , if you are Footman or officer then you are until Eternity , every MLM companies have their T.O.S & Code of Ethics EveryOne who wants to be a IBO or Distributor, must Follow up the Code of Ethics & if Observance it then nobody lose him/her life saving or time or family bla bla bla ....
see bro lets say QNET is Pyramid( That im Sure & I believe is not) so what about Oriflame? do u know one?
Plz Excuse me but Your people does not have a MLM OR Network Marketing,s Culture IT IS YOUR PROBLEM NOT QNET.
& READ THIS TOO PLZ
I dont want to make desperate effort to approve anything
do you know why?
cuz Qnet continued expanding & reach more & more IR,s Everyday They recently Opened thair franchise company in Turkey , do u know what is meaning ? Qnet entry teh Europian Markets from eastern & 2rd deggre Europian Countries such as Turkey Azerbaijan Armenia to 1st DEGREE
You can sittin front of your PC & Type anytin u want but this typed words cant make a change, today QNET is Bigger than Yesterday & Tomorrow Thay are very bigger & Globaly than today , Type your Useless Opinion & Make a fun
God Bless YOU Bro
What is an MLM culture? Is it the culture of giving people a far-fetched promise that 99.9999% of them cannot achieve? Is it the culture of encouraging people to make money at the expense of their down-lines? Okay, if this is what it is, then I’m glad we don’t have this culture in my country.
So what do you say we do in my country? Should we promote this mlm culture only to see that currency is leaving our country and our youth are becoming representatives of a foreign company instead of doing something productive for their own country?
Should we allow this network to grow and grow until we see that less than 5% of all participants have profited from it, and the rest are left deprived and dissapointed. Maybe you are right and most legitimate businesses have high failure rates as well, but that doesn’t mean that we should go ahead and promote an mlm scheme which has a GUARANTEED 95% failure rate.
You know what? I’m happy that we don’t have this MLM culture. I would rather see my compatriots do something productive and useful for the future of their own country than to become greedy representatives who prey on other people for some easy money. I would rather see them make average salaries than to see that only 5% of them are making all the money at the expense of the 95% who make nothing.
Once Again, if my opinions are useless and this article is crap, then why on earth do you even bother responding and posting these comments??? What are you trying to prove???Why don’t you spend this time promoting your wonderful business instead of providing counter arguments on this webpage???
And hey, I have nothing against you. I wish you and all your fellow Qnet IRs get rich through Qnet! However, I can’t see how that could happen, because it is mathematically impossible for 95% of you to be profitable in this scheme!!!
Hi Again
1st of all Do you know whats the MLM Culture? if you dunno then go & read the professional wroten books & magazines like Networking Times &..... before anything i wanna say you that im study at MLM E-learning Institue & i passed 3 of 4 levels of Presence Skills .
so where are Those 99.999 ? there is no far-fetched promise , you can go & read at this OFFICIAL page for both Persian & English PLZ SEE:
http://www.qnet.net/privacy_policy/earnings_disclaimer/fa
http://www.qnet.net/privacy_policy/earnings_disclaimer/en
far-fetched Promises ? Did u see any Get rich quick or easy money making promises from Qnet on this page?
PLZ SEE THIS PAGES TOO:
http://www.qnet.net/privacy_policy/code_of_ethics/en/
http://www.qnet.net/privacy_policy/code_of_ethics/fa/
PLZ CLICK ON "EN" IF WANT TO READ AS ENGLISH & CLICK ON "FA" IF WANT TO READ AS PERSIAN Language
everyone from everywhere , when go to Registeration Or shoping page of QNET.NET , can see this rules , T.O.S AND ..... & must check the checkboxes after read them to enable to continue registeration Process ,AND there is 16 Language and everyone can choose his/her own language , NOWWW What i want to say? I wanna say I BET U that IRANIAN IR,s or as your claim (BANKRUPT PEOPLES) doesnt read them even for ONCE
They checked that chekboxes without reading fast & faster
EVEN they never know that the website Support their OWN Language that they can set on , what happen ? now they are a QNET IR(INDEPENDENT REPRESENTATIVE) Without knowing rules , disclaimer , T.O.S &..... or Illiterate NetWorker Can U imagine the RESULT? YES they cannot reach thair Goals & tell everyone that MLM is Farud we are bankrupted people or bla bla bla ......
Qnet have Millions of IR,s Worldwide & meaning Millions of different People and for sure Millions of True OR Fake Promises its not aQNET Fault They(QNET) say Everything on Their own & official site , observation the rules = NO ANY PROBLEMS , NO FAKE PROMISES , NO BANKRUPTES
ok NOW about foreign COMPANY that u talk about. can u tell me how many foreign company there are? how many hard working youth for foreign companies in IRAN ? like Thousand s of non profitable companies both for Youth,s n Country? like Chinie companies that using iranian youth,s to PUSH their Useless Product in IRANIAN MARKETS?IN Otherside How much money was leaved& is leaving Your country to ARABIAN Destination Yearly ? from IRAN to MAKKAH , MADINAH , JADDAH , Syria , IRAQ , & ............ BILIONs OF BUCKS that is out of counting?
SEE my freind the monster & world known 1ST Class MLM company AMWAY is foreign too but they have a office in near 80 Countries , or better say they are foreign Company for near 80 Countries TOO , same with ORIFLAME , MARY KAY , & other MLM companies. NetWork Marketing is a Borderless Business & its not about QNET only
ONCE agian there is NOOO "95% of failure GUARANTEE" As the MLM Or every other business rules there is many results n succesive rate , AND VARY from person to person depends on their skills , Tallent .... , what u wanna to approve? why u dont accept it ? if everyone can not achive his /her goals, its depends on her/himself, not depends on the Industry or the companies
YOU KNOW WHAT ? U have a Battle With all kind of MLM comanies & its not about QNET only , ok lets say they are all foreign & Bankrupting programs so why you dont have your OWN MLM companies to prevent this matters n Problems? this shows everyone that Your Government is a Anti MLM Organization .
Finally Could you tell me plz why & really WHY they(QNET) have a franchise comany & Official office,s in 20 Countries & NO any problems like & such as iran ? I KNOW WHY :
NetWork Marketing CULTURE
GOD BLESS YOU
Okay, how do you explain this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrwOpY3T6yM
This is the main presentation that Qnet IRs use to persuade people to join Qnet. In this video the Qnet presenter gives people the plea of making $85,000 in just 10 months!!! Do you know what the average annual income is in Iran? Less than $4,000 per year! So, isn’t $85,000 in 10 months is far-fetched plea for an individual who has an annual income of only $4,000? So why is this person joining Qnet? Because he/she needs the product OR because he wants the money? The answer is the second.
I read the disclaimer, It sounds nice. But guess what? People have already been brainwashed before reading that disclaimer so they aren’t thinking of anything other than getting rich ($ signs!) so that disclaimer is worth nothing to them at that point. OKAY OKAY, let’s say everybody reads the disclaimer, do you think that the end result would be any different? HELL NO. There would still be 95% who will not profit from the business because as I explained before, this is an endless scheme and will eventually leave more than 90% of participants with empty pockets.
About the code of ethics, that was drafted in Hong Kong, not in Iran; therefore, it is not enforceable in Iran. So people are not obligated to abide it because QNET and the Iranian government never had an agreement to conduct this kind of business together. Therefore, if people don’t abide it in Iran, the responsibility is on Qnet because it never acquired a permit for conducting business in Iran.
And about the foreign companies…That was the most hilarious thing I’ve ever heard! We do business with many countries and lots of registered foreign companies (just like any other country does). But the whole point is that our country will eventually benefit in some way from this trade. If we see it’s not profitable and it results in damages to the economy and loss to people we avoid it altogether. For example our retailers conduct business with SAMSUNG, now SAMSUNG doesn’t sell us an overpriced product and then tell our retailers to go find two other people to buy the same overpriced product and so on…. We do have direct selling in my country yet we don’t have endless pyramid schemes whether internal or external.
And who says Qnet hasn’t caused problems in other countries? The same story goes in countries such as Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Jordan, UAE …I have friends and contacts in many of those countries and they always tell about how devastated their country and economy is from the effects of Qnet.
Just because Qnet hasn’t been banned in some countries doesn’t mean it hasn’t caused any problems. Marijuana, alcohol and prostitution aren’t banned in many countries but that doesn’t mean these things haven’t caused any problems and casualties in those countries.
One more thing.
You really like to talk about Amway so here’s an article by Robert L. FitzPatrick the president of Pyramid scheme Alert, a consumer organization to confront the abuses of pyramid schemes. PLZ read the article and see what it says about Amway and also the 10 most common lies about MLM.
http://www.falseprofits.com/MLM%20Lies.html
Seth ...
get yourself a Job....
Its my personal experience , I told my friend to buy a Bio Disc , than before he delivered it to me , after seeing reviews in net , I just told him to cancel it. He said in India , there agent has purchased it and it cannot be taken back, so I have to pay money to him. He has given me no receipt for this. And the order can't be cancelled, how come in online marketing order can't be cancelled , i don't know that too with a legal agent from Qnet , i don't understand that.
Its a huge fraud......
Anonymous...
Get yourself an identity...(lol) and perhaps a job that that doesn't require fooling other people.
HI Again Mr Seth
I think You dont understand what i want to say, Freind leave that YOUTUBE Links it is hilarious, as i said before they are IR,s & they are totally
"INDEPENDENT" Representatives , so everyone can upload any video about any business & advocate , advert , or against ... are u kidding or ur avoidance ? if you want to know if is it real brainwashing or not u must see that what company official says, not humans or IR,s like that arabian guy, everyone can say anything from own taste . everyone can make videos & promisse peoples to get rich quick, so what u wanna say? be proffesionall my freind this kind of promises could be from every IBO Or IR,S from every Companies ,Second: all kind of businesses has one goal, THAT IS FINANCIAL , EVERYONES WORKs FOR MONEY , FOR EXAMPLE IF U R CAR SELLER WHY U BOUGHT the cars? for sittin back relax & push your feets on speeds pedal & make a fun? Of course no , to sell them & make money , this not the companies obligation to got their IR,s or IBO ,s under control to see y they want to buy the products , for money or for own use , as the WFDSA Rules, companies obligation is : sell high quality & usable product with Qualified& standard compnesation plan
may i ask u why u join your job? or why u go to your workplace? for glory of god? no for money & yes , people join the QNET to make money just SAME as Other Business, but do u know what is important? the important thing is: is there END customer or no , there is no compulsion in QNET, to buy a product, or pay $800 (AS Many Missunderstood People says) to start the business, everyone can start his/her bizz only with $10 . meaning u can be a IR with $10 after paying & registration Process you are distrubator & u can get paid to sell products to retail customers , ok what now? IR,s must sell 0.5 CUV & 1 QUV(TO END CUSTOMERS THOSE WHO DONT WANT TO JOIN THE PLAN) to get qualify to recruit 2 People or 2 distrubator.(EVERY PRODUCT HAS CUV& QUV BOTH) AND they must do the same & u can get paid the commision for group sales . NOW if u understand what i try to say , then im sure u know what is the fact . your paid is only $10, NOW if you cant continue,you dont lost your life , if u want to continue u must (IT IS THE RULE FOR ALL COPMANIES)sell the product , if you can not & still wanna continue then you must make a OWN purchase to get qualify to Continue AND recruit 2 peoples , OK if u dont HAVE A money to make OWN Purchase OR You Dont like to continue the business ITS OK YOU can Sell Your TC (TRACKING CENTER) To another person & Replace his/her Details Instead of Yours & get your $10 back .so Where is That LOST $800 ? PLZ Excuse me but you didnt know hows that work & I bet nobody knows in IRAN.
Continue............
About Code of ethics . Plz open your eyes My Freind it is the general & for all IR,s Worldwide there is no depends on that iranian government is agree or disagree with this company , this C.O.E must be followed to prevent any Problems .
Over Price? What is Over Price Meaning? the Prices depends on many factors& this is very wide Discussion, but plz think about it: ANY kind of business has many Standards, that standards was thetical from its Business Official fraternity , Direct Selling HAS fraternity too KNOWN AS DIRCT SELLING ASSOCIATION)product Pricing is Most important & Under detail control for all DSA,s.the DSA member Comanies cannot sell over Pricing Products Never & Never , They cannot even be a member of DSA IF They sell Over priced products They cannot get qualify to be a member of . Dear Freind They(DSA) has a many parametters & standards to prevent over pricing & They better know than US so it is Clear .
Now about Srilanka , UAE OR ...... many companies has a many problems its not only ABOUT MLM , THEY HAVE A OFFICIAL Offices in Jordan & UEA both , there is many seminars & Official meetings , be sure my freind you cannot find a problems such as IRAN , OK it is very normal that every company has different problems but this is not meaning that companies are frauds or Scams.
PLZ be informed that Singapore has a Strongest & Very seriously encounter in the WORLD to preventing & against PYRAMIDAL SYSTEMS & Companieseven EVEN Stronger than USA.
& Its NOT BAD To know that QNET is A eternal Member & Executive Committee Member OF DSAS (DIRECT SELLING ASSOCIATION OF SINGAPORE) SEE HERE : http://www.dsas.org.sg/dsas/Html/list2.html.htm
http://www.dsas.org.sg/dsas/Html/exco2.html
YOU CAN SEE the UAE OFFICIAL WBSITE HERE:
http://www.qnemirates.ae/
Continue........
DID YOU KNOW if u be a member of PYRAMIDAL Companies in Singapore you must pay a very heavy cost ($200.000 + MINIMUM 5 YEAR of Prison Condemnation) now if you are a
logical Person plz answere me what does it meaning?
Please Dont comparison This things together CUZ they are
Totally Different , Marijuana or alcohol are private
using things & as well as you cannot see the official
office for Marijuana Users , we speak about business with
OFFICIAL Offices & Government approval in 20 Countries
& its not bad for you to know that if any country will
boycott any company And prevent people cooperation
with them , the first thing to do for government is:
prevent to entrance that Company products to Country such as Iranian Government , OK ETS TEST IT : click on this link www.QNET.NET , NOW click on the REGISTER that you can
see it top of the page , after clicking NOW you can see the
POP UP opened Window , you must enter your REFERRER ID
& Choose your Living Country , see the name of all Countries careful , there is one BIIIIIG Different , What is That Different? You can see the "*" MARK , top of the IRAN,s Name, Maybe ask me what is it? OK CHOOSE It (IRAN) as your living country ........... OOooPpss!!!............. THEY SAY :
"WE APOLOGISE , SHIPPING OF PRODUCTS TO THIS COUNTRY IS NOT AVAILABLE."
Could you explain me WHY ?, REALLY WHY This happened only for Iranians? This is the GOVERNMENTAL ACTION and known as( Product Boycott ) to prevent cooperation with Any Company or action against them. you never can see THIS
"*" MARK above another Countries , Probably you try to explain this & say that this kind of legal & Governmental action is new & other countries does not know that yet !!!!! IT WAS FIRST TIME or ...... ?
Finally about AMWAY , IT IS VERY HILARIOUS & most like joking,AMWAY is known as MLM father & Founder of MLM industry with 63 year of succesive history , they are in the list of every DSA,s , what try to say? Probably they are
PYRAMID scheme too??? if your answere is YES so our Discussions is Totaly IDLE !!!!!!!
they are APPROVED compnay from all the Governments & you can find them in EVERY
country , Except In IRAN CUZ , there is no Difference for IRANIAN Government,all companies are PYRAMIDS
Robert L. FitzPatrick ? ok i can send to you more & millions of OFFICIAL links & you can read there many possitive article & books about MLM , MR Robert L. FitzPatrick is a general person with personal idea but
are DSA,s General With PERSONAL IDEA,s TOO???
maybe BETTER to SAY that WFDSA & ALL DSA,s Advocate the LIE Industry & Liers
See this link too , maybe AFC accept this scam & brainwashing as supporter:
http://www.the-afc.com/en/tournaments/clubs/afc-champions-league
GOOD JOKE THANK YOU
BEST REGARDS
Qnet is scam.
Best Regards
Listen My Friend Mr Seth
Ok u say Qnet is Scam , there is no diffrence That what u say & what u think about them
its ur personal Idea & of course very silly . do u know why? u iranians thinks all of the world are illiterate &
You are discoverer of Pyramid Schemes. NOOOOOOOOO Friend
all of the world knows what is Pyramid schemes & what is Network Marketing .
You are very late cuz MLM is approved method of distribution with 63 years history & have legal association & fraternity , U know what? your comments are not scientific & all of them is prejudice & you speak
with bigotry without any science about MLM , without research , only aboard of heard & observe from iranians wrong systems & methods , u can sit on front of pc & write ur comments WHILE QNET continuance Expanding with Governmental authority to seting up New Offices world wide , YOU say anytin u want its not Importantthat what u try to say , important is QNET going on BIg & Bigger
Best Rgards
I completely agree with you!!! Qnet is going to keep getting bigger and bigger just as it has in the past 13 years...that's because, unfortunately there are always idiots and gullible people out there that will fall for this scam. 95% failure rate in Iran,Pakistan,Afganisatan Egypt, Turkey, Jordan, Sri Lanka, UAE, etc can't be a coincidence. The reason is very clear...Qnet is a pyramid scam...No doubt.
And hey, my objective from posting these comments isn't to overthrow Qnet!!! No!!! Even if I could prevent a SINGLE person from falling prey to this immoral scheme that's enough for me. And you know what? I have already achieved my objective. Many people who I know (both inside and outside of Iran) have changed their mind and avoided this business after reading this article and doing their own research.
You write your comments/opinions and I will write mine. People will make their own judgement.
Its all fake!! the presenter tells you of benefits which are all false. You may buy a product but selling it is not easy at all. Moreover, they claim you can work from home then why was the presenter sitting in a coffee shop with us on a weekend with her children sitting two seats away from us. Do you call this family life? The success percentage by Qnet agent is 0.25% and i bet none of us will do business until we are sure of 70% success. After selling it to maximum two people you can loose control of your own business.......how does that sound??!!
I wont waste mu time and money.......
Mr Seth
Could u tell me plz that how much experience u have in the MLM Industry? lemme say : NO EXPERIENCE . You are prejudice Completly & u talk about heard from others .
Iran,Pakistan,Afganisatan Egypt, Turkey, Jordan, Sri Lanka, UAE ????????
OK Iranians Problem is totaly clear as i said before. Now about Pakistan & Afganisatan , about this two countries , BROOO they does not have a culture to even shaving & tidy their smeary,wild and woolly Beard and mustaches , They does not know what is the pants & they are known as "DIRTY WEARER" People in the whole world , so HOW They must to know what is the MLM? hahaha.OoPPSs(EXCUSE ME) . WHAT EXPECT TO MLM for Those Peoples.
Now about srilanka , one of the QIcomm (QI COMMNICATION COMPANY) preceding ENGLAND "TELCO" is in the Srilanka & have 25% of country communications under coverage such as mobile Operators & internet services :
8th Floor, McLarens Building
123 Bauddhaloka Mawatha
Colombo 4
Sri Lanka, QiComm LTD
Tel: +94 11 250 1902
Fax: +94 11 258 0608
& about UAE , Qnet has strong business position in this country too & Known as QNET MiddleEast: read this plz too:
The most recent event for QNet was the Bi-Annual Abu Dhabi Men’s College (ADMC) Bazaar in the UAE. Many Independent Representatives (IRs) flocked to the two-day event to meet with QNet representatives to get an update on products and services................
it is very clear , how they can have a EVENT in the MOST Important Educating center in the country (Abu Dhabi Men’s College)ADMC if they are scam? stop posit peoples as stupid & foolish , everyones can understandthat what is that mean. go & see their (WORLD WIDE OFFICEs) page to see both TURKEY & Jordan that QNET have Government approved officess There. Your Reasons are COMPLETLY BASELESS & all from Heard not from your own EXPERIENCEs
UAE
C901, Building C6
Bainona Street 34Al Bateen, Abu Dhabi
United Arab Emirates
Tel: +971 2 652 4888
Fax: +971 2 652 4890
JORDAN
14 Ibn Khozayma Street
Assalheen Avenue
Khalda, Amman, Jordan
Tel: +962 79 5555366
+962 77 7344000
+962 79 5261234
NOW EXPLAIN to me how they(QNET)can Establish & Open officess in the countries that as your claim they have a problems & scaming people there? ALL Compamies must have a Governmental ACCESS to Establish & setup officce & agent in that Countries which will to Operating their business . stop your baseless articles & if YOU,ll to continue your Discussions wit me plz first go & update your sklls & get MLM Education . Im MLM study for almost 3 years , are you? im sure you arent ,so dont open IDLE
Discussions without MLM Educating Degree.
and do not Repeat this : (95% ,95%,95%,95% failure rate) ,I think this is yours one of the most heard word
that u love to Repeat , & try to approve that MLM is Totaly scam (u r wrong & u know this too) . could you say me what is successive rate for Traditional Businesses? maybe 100%?!!!!! ok lets say what is failing rate ? lemme say :only 1% sucessive & 99% failing rate
ok We assume u r right(no doubt u r completly wrong) STILL MLM is a very Higher than other kind of business.
GOD BLESS
First off, don’t stereotype!!! I’m sure people in Afghanistan and Pakistan won’t appreciate you taking about them like that. And I think that your company, Qnet, wouldn’t appreciate its agents talking like that about people who live in certain countries.
I wouldn’t care less even if Qnet had offices in every city of every country in the world. I would still stay it is corrupt because this has been proven to me from facts and logic. Qnet once opened an office in Iran too, back in 2005, but it was quickly closed. Even at that time when it had an office in Iran I was still against it.
You have been studying mlm for 3 years? Good for you. I have been studying it for 15 years. I knew the very first Iranian who became a Qnet IR in 1998. His name was Mehrab. He is quite famous in Iran. DO you know how much his earnings were from Qnet(back than Gold Quest)? $20,000(US) per week. He made millions of dollars from QNet. But do you know at what expense? At the expense of depriving HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of people. He created a catastrophe in Iran. Iranian courts are jammed with Qnet complaints. There have even been domestic disputes and murders associated with Qnet. Hundreds of thousands of Iranians never even received their product because the product was seized by the government. So tell me. Why didn’t Qnet reimburse all those people? After all it wasn’t the people’s fault that government banned Qnet.
I was being very optimistic when I said 95% failure rate. The real world failure rate is well over 99%. Again and again, this is a never ending pyramid scheme and it can’t be sustained for ever. Do the math! Keep duplicating the number of new recruits and see where you get to, and if you can’t do it yourself Read this article:
http://www.iricvalley.com/2010/10/do-u-still-want-to-join-network.html
MLM isn’t even a business. It is a scheme designed to take advantage of developing countries. Look at the #1 customers of Qnet: Egypt, SriLanka, Malaysia, Iran, Turkey, Jordan, etc. They are all developing countries. Go read this article to see why developed (first world) nations don’t join Qnet.
http://www.iricvalley.com/2010/10/why-developed-1st-world-countries-are_07.html
This is based on a true story:
I was invited by my friend to attend a so called 'network-business presentation on profit sharing' few days ago. At the time of the said invitation, I asked my friend a question whether the presentation involves any product selling or advancement of money from my part. It was not an affirmative answer.
I was very curious about it and because of my dearest friend's invitation, I attended the said presentation at the Qnet's branch.
Prior to the said presentation, I was introduced to some senior members of Qnet. I was then told to let my mind be 'blank'... I was shocked to receive such an advice at the first instance. I tried to let my mind 'blank'... Well I can't because it wasn't a meditation class and obviously it is not a suitable place to be 'blank'!!!
After a short video presentaion, the speaker took almost 1 hour talking about the history and the so called business affiliates of Qnet, for which Im not bothered at all as it is so obviously not gonna help me in any sense. I was very disappointed and I questioned him during his presentation. I was very frank enough. He tried to change the topic.
I can slowly see where he was heading. What I suspected earlier uncovered. He said the following:
1. To be a member, I have to get a license from Qnet that can be used over 200 country;
2. How to get them? Is by purchasing their so called 'products'. (However he made it sound as if it is not a 'product' Im confused!!!! No more 'blank' mind)
3. I can get the 'product' with very small amount of money. (He did not even reveal the minimum price of their 'product');
4. he introduced me to a profit sharing system called 'binary system' and expressly said it is not a 'pyramid system' at all. (Im not a blockhead, but trust me, it is a pyramid system);
5. I have to introduced at least minimum of 2-3 members for once. He said a mere introduction is suffice...(he did not talk about any qualification of new members).
6. Finally, he end his speech by telling that we may refer to any of questions or querry to the person who introduced us to Qnet....(He did not give me any option to clear my doubts. Errrr....What the hell!!!! He escaped).
The best part was after the presentaion.
There were many questions on head that I need clarification.
Since my friend who introduced me to Qnet was only a month old with Qnet, I chose to clear my doubts with the senior member who present at the said hall. I asked the following question:
1. What is the minimum price of the product that is available to enable me to obtain the license.
Answer: it is half of my monthly salary. (It was a heart attack. Fine!)
2. Whether a mere introduction of a new member suffice?
Answer: A big 'No'. they also must purchase the 'product', he siad.
The senior member then introduced me to their best selling product. He then told me, apart from paying for the said product, I have to also pay a registration fee and delivery fee.... For instance, Im dumbfound.
I was then asked to be their member. I told told them I need a couple of months to save some money to purchase their product, as I have other commitments at the material time. With no respect to my stance,
He then forced me to make up my mind immediately. After a long confrontation, he gave me time to think till tmrw.... he even suggested me to borrow money from others or to go to a pawn shop to get a loan by mortgaging my jewelleris and naming his suggestion as 'option'...
I was very dissapointed and end the conversation imdtly.
After reaching home and upon reading this article and commemts from other fellow learned friends, I have decided that Im not going to pay a heed to Qnet and their scams.
Anyway AMWAY is way better then Qnet, Although Im not convinced with AMWAY's business plan, but I do enjoy their product from their fruit cakes to their cosmetics with affordable price.
We at Qnet learned to respect other peoples opinion :) coz i personaly believe that we have lots of people looking at the growth of Qnet and wish to have loyale people as we are to Qnet also i deeply believe that every single human will be joining Qnet coz its the best ever.
facts: - brazil team - F1 car - comon wealth - sponsorships - RYTHM - Our own university - building people not robotes (sales) if u want to know wt im talking about come c our biggest events n conventions V Con which companies are monitoring it to try n copy it . if we are scam why other companies try to copy us and to use our training tools by our chief to atract people to join them ........ man please wake up n smell the coffee
take care n i hope that one day u can c the real picture
Yah yah...A company that has scammed millions of people obviously has enough money to partner up with other firms and to organize events like that.
What you Qnet reps don't understand is the price that innocent deprived people pay for these events to be held. You don't understand that for every commission that you recieve, you deprive at least 6 to 10 people.
Go to your fun events, but don't even bother thinking about the shit you've caused by depriving over 96% of your downlines. Hey who cares for them anyway? what is important is that you(i.e. the lucky 4% on top of the scheme) make money. Screw the rest...
Hi ,ttthink people are smart enough to decide wat they want to do.I would just like to bring 1 thing to everyone's notice.see above that all people for qnet are registered as anonymous..and all people againstit have their names out here.U might think I myself am posting this as anonymous b'oz I don't want to waste my time on a fraud company like thi
people who have taken qnet would neva say anything wrong about it because their money depends on duping other people. its like a series of duping racket. you get your money suck and then try to recover from duping in more people. the higher up you are, the more richer you get. its not wrong or right. its abt morals and i would neva cheat anyone like that to recover my own money...
i haven't seen any objectivity here form those hating on qnet. is it wrong if i see a friend with a product and he refers me and in dat process he gets commissioned. remember, i like d product and i went for it and i'm enjoying it(personally) and he on d other end, gets commissioned for mere referal? i that paid for d product has not lost 'cos d product in question is working for me and he on d other end lost neither. take dis instance, i own a barber's shop. you come to cut ur hair for d first time and i tell u for referring someone here, u get a discount d next time u come and it works. in d first place he likes d haircut and someone or a friend likes it as well and he asked where did u get ur haircut, do u expect him to direct him elsewhere when he knows he got good service d first time he came and will definitely love to go back?
take a look at d holiday packages 'cos it seems no one has spoken abt dis. i revised it and it pays moneywise and i see a friend or colleague who travels a lot on vacation with his/her family and i say, hey! u can get accomodation for as cheap as $77 per night at a 4-5 star hotel in a suite(standard room with kitchen, dining area nad living room for as many as 6 pple) or resort and he likes it 'cos definitely he pays less and he gets to take his family as well and they have a nice time. wud that be wrong even though i get commissioned for refering? i think d misunderstanding is from those presenting d company or product. i know few pple will still disagree wit all dis points but one last thing. what religion do u bliv in? google it find out abt it and u'll see dat not everybody blivs wat u bliv and dat's bcos u have a personal testimony. Take Charge everyone.
Dear last anonymous, Please read this material quoted from the “Anti-Qnet-Egyptians” Facebook page:
"Qnet has claimed "as always" that they make a big favor to the tourism sector in Egypt and that's why Qnet has made "special" offers in hotels in Egypt to attract tourism and at the same time for domestic tourism....they have made a deal with the Mövenpick hotels and when you check Qnet offer "Q-breaks 5D/4N Cairo Expedition at Mövenpick " costs 730 USD without any meals!!!!!
Now I checked the webpage for Mövenpick and 1 night equals 100 USD with breakfast so for 4Nights=400 USD
http://www.moevenpick-hotels.com/en/pub/homepage.cfm
Now to analyze that...there is about 330 $ (Not to mention that Qnet packages include no breakfast) that is gone to QNET without any reason ...
1- There will never be any smart tourist who is stupid enough to buy your package when it's that expensive!!
2- I don't believe that for us as Egyptians are less smart than tourists to buy Qnet vacation offers!!!
If I’m gonna buy any vacation offer i would do it through EGYPTIAN travel agency coz that's h really benefit the tourism because I will pay the real rates to Egyptian company and also I would save my money!!
Same thing happens when you compare Qnet rates in Thailand, they are higher than what the hotels gives to ordinary tourists. Not to mention that the time share packages require that you pay two years in advance and you need to give them 45 days’ notice to find availability in your chosen resort."
I think this clearly explains that Qnet’s vacation packages aren’t that different from Qnet products. They are both overpriced and don’t have any market value. So please, stop being so arrogant.
hello! if u must know Q-breaks 5D/4N Cairo Expedition at Mövenpick is not $730 but 430 please for d sake of wat u bliv in.
Q-breaks 8D/7N Cairo Expedition is $750 so do d math andi understand dat in d bid to prove urself(we're all humans) we possibly might be prone to wrong suggestions or researches.
This article explains everything about Qnet, and how all Qnet products and services are overpriced (Including the vacation packages!). Please check it out:
http://issuu.com/nopyramidscheme/docs/pyramid_schemes2
so what's ur point? what i find faulty in some ir's is dat they tell pple about how to make money and forget abt d products. i've checked out their price list on d vacations and had pple dat i don't even know to check them out comparing them to the actual prices the hotels themself offer and they tell me it's cheap(u can say dis is a lie-u don't have to bliv me) u might jst come across an article dat says dis is a scam and immediately without reading thru and asking questions, u tell others dat it's scam.
i think if they focus more on the products and not on how much they can make out of it, things wil be a lot better. jst as a friend can say he likes my wristwatch be it expensive or not and want to get the same-no crime and he gets it with me getting a commission on it. tnks!
Well that is rarely the case becasue Qnet IR's don't promote the product, they sell the business! Read the article more carefully:
http://issuu.com/nopyramidscheme/docs/pyramid_schemes2
Lol...all this is sooo funny because had I read this before joining Qnet last year, I would have joined. That would have been my biggest mistake. Like everybody else, I had to invest USD 600 on a product.I even had to take a loan probably because I saw the potential. All I can say is, you can choose not to join and complain and whine about the company, but at the end of the day, people are making money as you are busy critisizing and analysing. I made my money back, and have made so much more together with my friends. No one forced me to join..joined out of my own free will and so did my friends, so if I was being duped..it was willingly. But as far as I am concerned,it was the best decision I ever made!
Mr/Mrs Anonymous, You're mising the whole point here. Yah you made money. But at what expense? You say people are making money out of Qnet! But you are over-genralizing becasue less than 5% of participants come out profitable (you turned out to be in that group.)
I am not wining or complaining at all. I am giving a warning to the 95% who get deprived by people such as yourself. The purpose of this article is to warn the 95% who will eventually loose their money and The fact that you were able to make some easy money doesn't change anything.
http://issuu.com/nopyramidscheme/docs/pyramid_schemes2
I read almost all the comments and all i can see its just mispresented . Why should you find an excuse as this ? I heard that you all have training right ? I mean its such a huge company sure they will give professional training like other network marketing such as M way etc . So mispresented is not and excuse . It is how it is .
In another logic way then this writer , most of the qnet are teenagers . Why ? Cause all of you need easy money . So easily you fell for it . In a correct way , you should find 3 person at your right and another 3 person on your left only you get (225 USD) in addition , its the most cheapest salary when you hired a person to work very hard for you . You help the company earn about Rm10,500 and the company only give you Around Rm650 ?
In Msia you got to buy things at least rm1500 to enter this business plan for whole life . But is it easy for you to find right 3 person and left 3 person ? no its not . You put so much effort and all you get is a 225 USD .
In Msia becoming a promoter for a day minimum is rm80 and maximum that i can find now is rm120 + commision . and only work for 8 hours at friday and saturday . And cumalative you should earn about minimum of Rm700 . Learn things more that you show plan and stuff .
So think again if you really want to earn some money jz have to twist your mind juice abit and im sure you will earn more the qnet give you . Because you start your own business and you are the boss and boss earn the most . And sure like all people say you need some money to start a business . Well you can pay Qnet for rm1.5k why not start an internet business buy selling phones covers and stuff like that . Its not hard and not time consuming compare with qnet .
I know this because i did it .
Ebi...just like them I was introduced and I worked hard and succeeded. Just like any other business, you have to work. I work day and night to get my people and also support the ones who come after me. All those who havent made it is because they gave up.Just like all other businesses, not everyone succeeds.People open businesses and shut them down, while other similar people do the exact same business and are very successful..Difference? They are doing something differently that the others are not doing and probably they are more persistent and never gave up. Take an example of Thomas Edison, he made 999 faulty bulbs before he discovered the real one. He could have stopped at the hundreth one. but he did not stop. And Ebi, can you say going to school is a scam also? Because not everyone who goes to school passes the exam. Some people get Cs,Ds, & Fs but that doesnt mean school is bad.And the people who do not pass especially in the 3rd world where I come from dont pass. At the end of the day, school is not a scam..its an individuals own effort. The 3rd world also where I come from, 60% of people who graduate from college do not get jobs.So is it that education is a scam?
And by the way, I have noticed that the people complaining & critiquing in this forum have not joined Qnet..so why are they complaining?I bet you also havent joined so you cant give a comment about something you havent experienced.Atleast I am speaking from Experience. Out of the 7.5 million people who have joined, if it was that bad then the complains wouldnt have been less than 1million. But online you just find a couple of people who were presented to but havent joined giving their negative opinion. For me,its my experience with the company which until now I am still grateful to the person who introduced me.I am not the only one making money. The people I introduced who are also working are making money so I see no problem with that!
Oh anonymous, you have just been freaking brainwashed. The only reason you are supporting Qnet is that you have already invested in it, otherwise you would be more tempted to open your eyes to the reality. Here is my rejoinder to your un-thoughtful and illogical comments:
1.I have experience with Qnet. I am Iranian. I purchased a product eight years ago. But Qnet was banned in my country so my product was seized and I lost all my money (Over $1000). So I could tell you that I am well experienced in this field.
2.You say people fail in school, other businesses, etc. That’s true. But is there a PYRAMID structure involved in school and other legitimate businesses. Does a student have to go recruit other students as under-lines in order to earn marks?!???????????? The answer is no. This argument is commonly used by Qnet supporters but it’s just as absurd as all the other things you people claim. lol, You are comparing your absurd business with Thomas Edison’s work…… Thomas Edison did what you Qnet supporters don’t do. He used logic and relied on his own hard work and effort to become successful, as opposed to relying on gullible fools to make easy money for him.
3.Finally, if complaining on this webpage would get their money back, I’m sure that millions of people who have been duped by Qnet would have posted comments and complaints on this page. But how could these comments get any ones money back?
Thank you for the feedback Mr anonymous.
http://issuu.com/nopyramidscheme/docs/pyramid_schemes2
Thank you for the clear and solid article.
I was already skeptical from listening to the agent and their claims but I didn't know exactly how to prove my point that the whole QNET thing is fishy business.
God bless you, this article enlightened me.
Anyone who wants to build Egypt for the future of their children should not let hard currency leave their country. We cannot afford to let our hard earned dollars leave our country when Egypt is in need of builders.
@ Ebi,
I am aware of Qnet being banned in Iran. I guess every country has its own trade rules and regulations. However I wonder how come some people are still doing the business from Iran and very well for that matter.
Most organizations are pyramid structures. There is always 1 CEO, followed by probably two deputies, a few managers, assistant managers, supervisors and the rest of the group. If you draw that its a pyramid structure!The people are the bottom work so hard but the CEO earns the most.
Anyway, posting my views here is really not bringing any money to my pockets. I know its hard to convince someone who has a pre-judged attitude.
Just keep complaining and critiquing on this post.....let me keep making my money without having to shove my opinion on anybody. And that is all that is here, opinions but not necessarily the facts nor the truth.
Peace.
@Anonymous,
I must admit, Qnet and its agents did an excellent job in brainwashing you!!! Listen buddy, Have you even been to Iran? Those ‘some people’ who you say are doing good in this business are a minority consisting of less than 4% of all IR’s. I have been researching Qnet for over 8 years and I could tell you from every 1000 people who join the system, roughly 25 to 50 of them come out profitable.
You need to stop being so arrogant, because the BS that Qnet and its IR’s claim are just to clear their name in the face of the public and to give them an excuse for expanding their immoral business. You are not the first one I am hearing these statements from. You have all been brainwashed by the same company using the same false ideologies.
You are aware of Qnet being banned in Iran!!! Did you ever ask yourself why? So based on your allegations QNet is similar to other organization (which have CEO’s, deputies, Managers, supervisors, etc). SO why aren’t those organizations banned in Iran?
HERE IS MY REJOINDER TO YOUR RECENT ILLOGICAL COMMENT, READ CAREFULLY:
FIRST, as appose to am MLM scheme, in an organization (e.g. Microsoft, Kodak , Home depot)there is no upfront fee required, meaning that you don’t have to pay for an overpriced product in order to get a job as a CEO, accountant or a janitor. You get selected based on your education, expertise and qualifications. A person who is on the upper level of a MLM pyramid scheme does not need to have any expertise or qualifications at all. He just introduces two people to the system and the rest of the job is done by the under-hands. So no tedious task is delegated to this person. He just sits and makes money at expense of his deprived under-hands.
SECOND, in an organization eventually everyone does get paid. The salary rates vary based on the rank of the individual (obviously). So whether the person is a janitor or a manager they both still have a fixed rate and nobody, regardless of rank and position, gets deprived as a result of entering the organization; however, in MLM schemes, only the people on top of the scheme get paid and the majority who are the bottom make absolutely nothing ($0!). There is a huge difference between “having a lower salary” and “making absolutely no money (Or less than what you have paid)”.
THIRD, in an organization, people don’t get paid based on the timeframe that they enter the organization. For example, a newly hired CEO definitely has a higher salary than a janitor who has 20 years working experience. This is not the case in MLM schemes. Those who enter the scheme earlier always make more money than those who enter at lower levels of the pyramid, regardless of their level of education and other competencies. In fact, in the QNET presentation people are constantly reminded that “the more you wait, the more you will lose”. You don’t believe me? Go to watch this video (at 4:40 min)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrwOpY3T6yM
In the video the presenter clearly states: “the more you wait, the more you lose”.
So you see Mr. anonymous, it’s not good to be arrogant. It is obvious that you have fallen for dogma and the nonsense that is fed to people such as you. You continue making your easy money, and I will continue raising awareness to those who get deprived by people like you in your quest for making this easy money.
Mr. Ebi,
first, Qnet is not easy money.If it was, then everyone would have made the easy money. Qnet is hard work and real hard work.The problem that most people have is coming and assuming they are here to make easy money, they are joining a get-rich-quick scheme. no wonder they quit and never make it. Have you asked yourself why out of 1,000 people only a few like you said 40 make it? What criteria does the company use to ensure only 40 people make it and how do they select the 40?
For me, I have worked for my money that is how I earned it. Other people just sit down and wait for the money to come or for other people to work for them. For your information, in Qnet, the person at the top cannot earn if the ones at the bottom are not earning. For me to make my check, I have to ensure the person below me also has a check. We support each other to make money and we do not sit on each other. If only the people at the top earn, then how come I am earning?!I am not at the top!How come the people who I brought who are below me are also earning? I joined this organization just last year and yet its been in existence since 1998 so its FALSE that people at the bottom do not earn coz I am at the BOTTOM. I was not among the 1st 6 million to join, yet I am earning.Its been in my country for 7 years now and I am only a year old and earning. But what I can tell you is this:There are people who joined before me but have not made any money and there are those who joined after me and have made more than I have including my own down lines. It all depends on an individuals effort and you reap what you sow. For the lazy they sow nothing and reap $0 then they blame the company for it!Or they do not think like farmers, they sow today and expect to reap the next day without realizing that they have to be a patient.
The more you wait, of course the more you lose as you will miss a good placement which is what we call positioning.Its missing an opportunity to be at 'the top'.
Again I will say this is a business that involves support, and if someone doesn't support they people they brought in, they are also not going to make it.
You can say I have been brainwashed, its okay because had I not found this opportunity, I would have remained stuck in a job I do not love and still broke. My parents lives would have remained as they were and so would have been my friends.I don't feel any guilt because the people I introduced always come back and say 'Thank you'. Which is the greatest gift.I always go back to my upline and thank them for telling me about this wonderful opportunity.
You can come here and raise awareness to people not to join Qnet, but what difference will that really make in their lives? You will only save them some $600 which can not change their lives.As you tell people not to join Qnet, why don't you also give them ideas of what they can do with the $600 that can change their lives?
I do not regret spending $600 on Qnet coz I would have spent it anyways on something else that would not have any impact on my life.So I am glad I chose to spend it on Qnet because it has made a difference! :)
read this link
http://joinnetworkmarketing.wordpress.com/2011/03/28/do-u-still-want-to-join-network-marketing-inform-yourself-using-facts-logic-math/
Mr Anonymous,
You are probably sincere about what you are stating. but I assure you that your statements are completely flawed and based on mistaken ideologies.
First of all, you state: “If Qnet was easy money everyone would make easy money”!!!! LMAO. The whole idea behind “easy money” is that only a minority could earn it, and they earn it at the expense of the majority who lose their money. If everybody could earn easy money it wouldn’t be called easy money anymore (It would probably be called communist money!).
Second, you state that “The people on top cannot earn if the people in bottom are not earning”. This is another false statement. The person on top doesn’t need all of his under-hands to work. Even if 5% to 20% of under-lines work that would be enough for him to earn alot of money. In fact it is mathematically impossible for all under-lines to recruit more members because sooner or later the market will be saturated, and hundreds of thousands of IR’s will be competing with each other for the same small pool of potential recruits. The odds of them making their money back is worse than roulette in Vegas.
Third, you state: “you are not in top”. This statement is COMPLETELY false. If you weren’t on top you wouldn’t be earning anything, because over 90% are always in the bottom of the pyramid and less than 10% are on the top. You obviously don’t know how a pyramid scheme operates. Pyramid schemes do not consist of only one pyramid. They consist of many pyramids that are embedded within the larger pyramid. So you might not be at the absolute top of the pyramid but you are at the top of one of the embedded pyramids. Many pyramids (within Qnet) had collapsed before you joined Qnet leaving over 96% of members deprived. Qnet repeats this invasion in different regions, cities and towns. So you are definitely on top (i.e. top 5%) of one of the pyramids in the town, region or maybe even the neighbourhood in which you reside.
Fourth, you state “The people you introduced always come back and say ‘thank you’”. Well this is pretty silly, because I could assure you that over 90% of your down-lines are not thankful to you at all because they have been suckered by a pyramid scheme and you are the reason why. Your direct referrals may have made some money but at least 96% of your down-lines have not made a penny because it is mathematically impossible for them to earn money. A pyramid scheme cannot be sustained forever.
Fifth, you state: “You (me) could only save people $600 which cannot change their lives”. $600 is not little money in countries such as Pakistan, SriLanka, Iran, Indonesia, and other low income countries where incomes are generally low. But even assuming that $600 is not a lot of money, no IDIOT would give away that amount if he/she knows that he has a 96% chance of losing it.
Please note that the massive success mentioned by the anonymous commenter is just a 4% chance of being successful in this kind of business. If anyone wants to learn about the manipulative methods used by QNet IR’s for attracting new members with 96% failure rate (which is never mentioned to you in the Qnet presentation) please refer to the below webpage.
http://www.iricvalley.com/2011/05/qnet-representatives-success-secrets.html
Also, to learn about the most common lies about pyramid schemes (which are also never mentioned to you in the Qnet presentation) refer to the below website by the pyramid scheme alert foundation.
http://www.falseprofits.com/MLM%20Lies.html
Mr. Anonymous,
You obviously don’t know how a pyramid scheme operates (Or maybe you do know and you’re just playing dumb!). The reason that you are not in the 1st 6 million to join and still earning is that many pyramids had collapsed before you joined Qnet. In other words, Qnet does not consist of only one big pyramid; rather it consists of many smaller pyramids embedded within the greater pyramids. Qnet repeats the invasion in different countries, cities, and regions. SO, while you are not on the absolute top, you are on top of the pyramid in the city, region, or even the neighborhood in which you reside. OTHERWISE YOU WOULDN”T BE EARNING ANYTHING.
Secondly, you state that “people come back to you and say thank you”. Well that’s pretty silly, because over 90% of your down-lines are not thankful to you at all because they have lost their money and you are the reason why.
Third, $600 is not small money in low income countries such as Pakistan, Egypt, SriLanka, Indonesia, Iran, etc. and people have to save their money for a long time in order to build up that amount of money. But even assuming that it isn’t a lot of money, NO IDIOT would give away that amount if he/she knew that there is a 96% chance of losing it. So Qnet is definitely accountable for misrepresenting the business to all these people.
Please note that the massive success mentioned by the anonymous commenter is only a 4% chance of being successful in this kind of business. If anyone want to learn about the manipulative methods used by Qnet to recruit more people to join with a 96% failure rate (which is never mentioned to you in the Qnet presentation), please read this article by a former Qnet representative.
http://www.iricvalley.com/2011/05/qnet-representatives-success-secrets.html
Also to learn about the most common lies told to you by Qnet representatives refer to the below webpage:
http://www.falseprofits.com/MLM%20Lies.html
I would like to know from Ebi, why are you researching Qnet for 8 years?
Why are you that desperate to proof Qnet is Scam?
Don't you have anything else in life to do other than digging after Qnet?
Are you working with another MLM company?
What is your goal?
Just curiousity...
By the way, am a medical doctor and heard the presenetation from my friends couple of times and most of the information written on how Qnet work is incorrect as per my fair understanding. It seems your presenter of Qnet was not that strong.
Hi Mr EBI
i guess & sounds like that u r Iranian , RIGHT?
So bro open your EYES & dont Say useless Words without knowledge , QNET is 13 year sucess company with expanding more n more everyday better that last day, Iranian people problems have not depends on the company , QNET has a 24 Official Offices in near 20 country with legitmate permissions & certificates . do u know what is your (IRANIAN)Government problem with QNET? lemme say MORE THAN ENOUGH TAX , YESSS , I seen many times before in this Articles that Iranian Missunderstood Peoples said that QNET is Pyramid scheme & NEVER END SCHEME & their products are useless & bla bla bla , nnnoooooo bros this is not yours & your Government Problems as i said before your problem is deficit culture in new coming industries.
OK , If you are right & Multilevel systems are totally scams so why your TRADING ministration RUN a 6 MLM companies that 1 of them is american plz see this links:
www.TAKSOO.IR
WWW.GNM.IR
WWW.BAADRAAN.IR
WWW.EAMEGA.IR
& two other , DID you know what is the GNM products ?
Lemme say , 14 ,24,and 35 gramms of Gold pendants , yeaaa
BRO , if this kind of selling method is brainwashing or bla bla so why your Government establish this MLM companies with really & really Useless product like , Dry fruits , Guitar , Gold , .........
HOW u would to explain this?
Just as MLM is about word of mouth advertising, clearly you can see and feel the impact of bad experience (due to personal shortcomings) that is working behind the scenes to defame Qnet. For those who have spent 8 years researching Qnet, can you imagine how far (economically) you'd be if you tried to research on the benefits of the opportunity you had back then. At the time Qnet had about 2 products and now we have 7 wonderful product categories (Luxury and collectibles, Holidays and vacation packages, education, welness, Telecom, Nutrition and Home care products). In short the company has really grown and you'de have really grown with this company. Just as you take time to research on bad news(which spreads faster), consider a balanced research and study any positive that exists. For your information Qnet has never been found guilty/successfully charged of any charges against it. Also try to get to FIFA, IOC, Ferrari, BB, Nokia etc and warn them against Qnet. They might just be more informed and saved from making a huge mistake.
Am proud to be associated with Qnet and to work hard to realize my own dreams. Please note, you can either make money or excuses but you can't make both.
PS. I wonder what people keep referring to as facts, logic and math presented by the writer of this article. its all untrue. For facts, logic and math please visit Qnet website for your own independent revew. Visit Qnet.net, QI group and the-v websites. You'll get a feel of the company profile, elaborate description of the products and business opportunity for you. To buy any product from the website, you must quote a referrer because thats how the business operates.
Happy 2012 and please make informed decisions.
hey bugga watssup.......seems yu hv a bright future......seems yo already havin...........i have not tied up wid any one......but yo really smart...yu make business out of business......guess yu hv got it ....... all i tell is , if they are confident of wat they are really doing is correct ,,,who knows he may be on FORBES......hats of to both qnet and the writer....
Loice from Kenya,
You state “I would be better off economically if I researched the benefits of Qnet”. How could I be better off when Qnet was banned in my country exactly 8 years ago???? I wouldn’t be better off, I would be in prison along with many other active Qnet networkers who were put behind bars. In case you don’t know Qnet is banned in my country and there is prison penalty for active members. You are a big proponent of research so why don’t you do some research on my country to see for yourself that Qnet is banned here. Qnet is also banned in Sri Lanka. Coincidence??? I don’t think so.
For your information Mr. Loice, Kenya: I did become a member of Qnet 8 years ago. But I lost my money ($1500 US), I did not get reimbursed, nor did I receive my product. Same has happened to thousands in my country.
To those who inquired about my ambitions for researching Qnet and posting these comments:
What difference does it make who I am and what my ambition is. If you could refute this article using facts and logic go ahead and do so. If not just shut your mouth and don’t bark.
http://issuu.com/nopyramidscheme/docs/pyramid_schemes2
Dear Friend,
Although appreciate your effort to put so much time on writing this article. But i really dont understand on what grounds you have published these facts.
I am doing this business for the past 1 year and whoever is looking forward to do this business then please understand the below points ;
1. There is no monthly purchase involved.
2. For the amount invested you get a product which can be used immediately.
3. This company is based on trust, as for the same reasons which the blogger has posted this co was formed. so there is no way this can be a scheme or fraud.
4. Some of the products have just changed the health and lfifestyle of the people who have bought it and iam one of them.
5. in this 1 year i have seen more millionaires than in my entire life put together.
6. some of the facts posted above are never claimed by any responsible representative of the business.
7. Yes, becasue the code of ethics falls on each individual on its own, there might be some mischief mongers who spoil the name with their own stupidity.
8. Who ever wants to take a decision on this business, should meet a person who is doing this business for more than 3 years and then take a decision.
9. Remember those who are complaining have never achieved anything in real life as well. so good luck to those guys.
10. Microsoft has got nothing to do with our business. Please go and check case study section of www.msn.co.in to see if qnet biz is avlbl or not.
Choice of a decision is always in our own hands. none of the pros ever force anyone to join, we just simply present the biz and leave the decision to the prospect whether to join or not.
best of luck to all those morons who spoil others dreams as well.
Mr Ebi,
yeah why are you so desparate to prove Qnet is a scam huh!You are saying $600 is a lot for low income countries? I come from a third world country in Africa and even borrowed to start this business. Even if I didnt make any money, I would still have benefited from the products I have bought. Why are you talking like people are just putting in their so called 'hard earned' money into nothing.Ebi, there are genuine products being bought here! I have sold products to people who aren't even interested in the business, they are only interested in the products. Do not tell me they are worthless because you have never used them most likely! If I go on holiday with my family have I lost my money?If I do an E-learning course from an accredited Swiss University have I lost my money.
How can you say spending $500 leaves people deprived, how? what good income generating project can someone do with $500? So if I give those low income earner $500 will they now be rich coz its a lot of money?What difference will it make to their livelihood?You are busy here telling people to look for jobs, where I come from jobs are scarce and even people who have done masters degree have no jobs wouldn't you call education a scam then here because only a small percentage of people get jobs and only a small percentage even become CEO's?
and you haven't answered my question at the top, you are busy here criticizing Qnet, can you tell the people you are trying to 'warn' what better they can do with the $500 dollars they were to invest in Qnet that could change their lives? I want a solution. If you aren't giving us any solution, then you are part of the problem and leave us alone! YOu are the type of negative people who dont want people to succeed by discouraging them and telling them dont do this, don't do that bla bla bla but you don't tell them what to do. I have never known any wealthy person who made money by being too cautious.
And those websites you are giving us about I don't know facts, truths, logic, math, are written by people like you who pretend to have done research and have some logic!
PS: Give us 5 examples of business or anything with 95% success rate...maybe we can invest in something where we are SURE we will be extremely successful with $500!
So next time you respond to this, I dont want a criticism, I want a solution!!!
Vera,
BTW, you should perhaps consider running for president due to your bold solutions. LMAO, so your solution for high unemployment is joining pyramid schemes?!!?!!? Oh man, with people like you and that kind of mind set development really is a great struggle...
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